From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Richard M. Stallman" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Shift Tab should move backward in help buffers Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 00:16:54 -0400 Message-ID: References: <42BEB2F6.9010409@student.lu.se> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1119933551 21370 80.91.229.2 (28 Jun 2005 04:39:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 04:39:11 +0000 (UTC) Cc: lennart.borgman.073@student.lu.se, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jun 28 06:39:07 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Dn7rU-0008Bq-Ft for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 28 Jun 2005 06:38:16 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Dn7zG-00067z-H4 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 28 Jun 2005 00:46:18 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Dn7sI-0002fz-1y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Jun 2005 00:39:06 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Dn7sH-0002fb-A0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Jun 2005 00:39:05 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Dn7pH-0001DS-2h for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Jun 2005 00:35:59 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.164] (helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Dn7ca-0004Vb-O6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Jun 2005 00:22:52 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1Dn7Wo-0000gT-Gb; Tue, 28 Jun 2005 00:16:54 -0400 Original-To: Jason Rumney In-reply-to: (message from Jason Rumney on Mon, 27 Jun 2005 10:30:13 +0100) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:39737 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:39737 So it may be more consistent for the defaults to be: aliased to backtab aliased to TAB That seems plausible to me, in spirit, but I am not sure it is possible. function-key-map operates just once on the input event stream, and then key-translation-map operates once. It could be that on some terminals S-tab is represented by an escape sequence which is decoded by function-key-map, so there is no way to translate it twice more. Thus, clean as this is, we can't do it without creating some new mechanism. And I don't think it's worth creating a new mechanism just for this. [I'm not even sure that maintaining a default aliasing of S-TAB -> TAB is very important -- this feature is handy for the alphabetic keys for several reasons, but I don't think it matters very much for keys like TAB.] I agree with that. It isn't crucial for either S-tab or backtab to alias to TAB.