From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: packaging (was: The MH-E repository) Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 04:01:48 -0400 Message-ID: References: <25625.1117492799@olgas.newt.com> <1117523297.429c0d614d0e3@imp4-q.free.fr> <873bs3kvx9.fsf@marant.org> <87u0khwchk.fsf_-_@mimuw.edu.pl> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1117786359 25616 80.91.229.2 (3 Jun 2005 08:12:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 08:12:39 +0000 (UTC) Cc: jmarant@free.fr, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jun 03 10:12:34 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1De7HO-0005Ua-R5 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 03 Jun 2005 10:11:47 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1De7Lp-0001cR-Vo for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 03 Jun 2005 04:16:22 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1De7Jq-0001RC-Vo for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Jun 2005 04:14:19 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1De7Je-0001MI-Tw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Jun 2005 04:14:07 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1De7JP-00015C-Ss for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Jun 2005 04:13:52 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.164] (helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1De7BF-0001Sk-JR for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Jun 2005 04:05:25 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1De77k-0000Yh-Cg; Fri, 03 Jun 2005 04:01:48 -0400 Original-To: jsbien@mimuw.edu.pl In-reply-to: <87u0khwchk.fsf_-_@mimuw.edu.pl> (jsbien@mimuw.edu.pl) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:38065 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:38065 > You are trying to facilitate updates in specific packages > at the expense of undermining the long-term development of Emacs. > If people do what you want, it will impede progress. Please elaborate. I explained that in the first message. When packages are maintained in places outside of the Emacs repository, often the changes do not get installed in the Emacs repository. We had a problem like this in regard to flyspell which I had to clear up myself just recently. I had to spend hours on it. We know of similar problem in regard to cperl-mode. There was a problem of this kind with Gnus for a long time. There are probably other such problems that we do not know about. It is not easy to find out about them without sending mail to a lot of people, which would be a lot of work. I am going to look for measures to discourage the practice of releasing parts of Emacs separately.