From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: define-derived-mode Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 12:12:27 -0400 Message-ID: References: <200505080101.j48117N24298@raven.dms.auburn.edu> <200505080315.j483F2l24405@raven.dms.auburn.edu> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1115568539 11014 80.91.229.2 (8 May 2005 16:08:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 16:08:59 +0000 (UTC) Cc: teirllm@dms.auburn.edu, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun May 08 18:08:57 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DUoKn-0000FI-PG for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 18:08:50 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DUoSx-00053I-Bu for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 12:17:15 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DUoR3-0004NG-Of for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 12:15:18 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DUoR1-0004ME-K5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 12:15:15 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DUoR1-0004L0-Df for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 12:15:15 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.164] (helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DUoUs-0007Ka-LC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 12:19:14 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1DUoOJ-0003Ef-UH; Sun, 08 May 2005 12:12:27 -0400 Original-To: Luc Teirlinck In-reply-to: <200505080315.j483F2l24405@raven.dms.auburn.edu> (message from Luc Teirlinck on Sat, 7 May 2005 22:15:02 -0500 (CDT)) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:36863 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:36863 If one would make it construct defcustoms, then maybe that should only happen if the :group keyword is given, so it would not get into the same default group problems as `define-{minor,generic}-mode'. I don't follow the logic of this argument. Whatever group is right for the move variable, isn't that right for the hook variable too? However, I am not sure we want defcustoms for *any* mode hooks. How often would a user want to customize one with defcustom? It seems to me that defcustoms for mode hooks are mostly useless clutter. What argument is there that they are useful and worth their cost?