From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Incompatible change without "warning" Date: Sun, 01 May 2005 08:07:41 -0400 Message-ID: References: <16997.28602.876638.54728@farnswood.snap.net.nz> <16998.58339.710430.454702@farnswood.snap.net.nz> <17000.13278.865098.49756@farnswood.snap.net.nz> <17006.1736.406738.121947@farnswood.snap.net.nz> <20050430231856.CE9369F511@mirror.positive-internet.com> <17012.21023.433350.503716@farnswood.snap.net.nz> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1114949630 4120 80.91.229.2 (1 May 2005 12:13:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 12:13:50 +0000 (UTC) Cc: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun May 01 14:13:49 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DSDKL-0004p1-K9 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 01 May 2005 14:13:37 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DSDR2-00078m-LV for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 01 May 2005 08:20:32 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DSDQo-00078h-TD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 01 May 2005 08:20:18 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DSDQo-00078V-I9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 01 May 2005 08:20:18 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DSDQo-0006FS-Gj for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 01 May 2005 08:20:18 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.164] (helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DSDJ2-00005u-7h for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 01 May 2005 08:12:16 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1DSDEb-0007JW-ON; Sun, 01 May 2005 08:07:41 -0400 Original-To: Nick Roberts In-reply-to: <17012.21023.433350.503716@farnswood.snap.net.nz> (message from Nick Roberts on Sun, 1 May 2005 15:50:55 +1200) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:36516 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:36516 Thinking about it, the best time to do this might be just *after* the release, to give the maximum time to discover any problems it might cause. Only pretesting will give any real idea of whether a function is used in code outside of Emacs. Since we have not started the pretest, now is a good time to delete some of these names. screen-height screen-width set-screen-width set-screen-height Those are probably really used in .emacs files. We shouldn't delete them now, and maybe not ever. dot dot-max dot-min dot-marker Those can go. They are not used in the Emacs sources, and they were not used much. Note that bytecomp.el defines properties for compiling them, so delete those too. buffer-flush-undo That was probably used often by users; let's not delete it now. 'compiled-function-p Only a few programs would have had reason to use that, so delete it now. 19.23 allout-exposure That was specialized; delete it now. 19.32 focus-frame unfocus-frame Those would have been used rarely; delete them now. 19.34 executing-macro Please delete that too.