From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: paragraph-start in Shell mode and Ielm. Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 12:16:31 -0400 Message-ID: References: <200504200139.j3K1dbk12900@raven.dms.auburn.edu> <87d5squngx.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> <200504200405.j3K458J13554@raven.dms.auburn.edu> <87y8bet6xi.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> <200504210129.j3L1TQ526330@raven.dms.auburn.edu> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1114273374 19274 80.91.229.2 (23 Apr 2005 16:22:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 16:22:54 +0000 (UTC) Cc: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Apr 23 18:22:52 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DPNOh-0008Bx-0K for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 23 Apr 2005 18:22:23 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DPNTq-00086q-7S for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 23 Apr 2005 12:27:42 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DPNSi-0007RH-ER for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 23 Apr 2005 12:26:32 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DPNSh-0007Qi-EF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 23 Apr 2005 12:26:31 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DPNSh-0006bi-BG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 23 Apr 2005 12:26:31 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.164] (helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DPNMY-0000jd-Nj for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 23 Apr 2005 12:20:10 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1DPNJ1-0007Vu-U8; Sat, 23 Apr 2005 12:16:31 -0400 Original-To: Luc Teirlinck In-reply-to: <200504210129.j3L1TQ526330@raven.dms.auburn.edu> (message from Luc Teirlinck on Wed, 20 Apr 2005 20:29:26 -0500 (CDT)) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:36298 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:36298 Actually, another problem is that some modes apparently _relied_ on the fact that paragraph-separate used to be meaningless if it did not also match paragraph-start. The recent 22.0.50 changes in paragraph behavior have broken paragraphs at least in Shell mode and Ielm. This is very disturbing news. There are only two ways out of this squeeze: to back up to the previous consistent design, or move forward to a new one. One advantages in moving back is that we know where the changes would have to be made. We don't know all the places that would have to be changed to move forward. Since the change was not made intentionally, and since there is no great advantage in this alteration in the specifications of paragraph-start, I think it is best if we move back. Stefan, can you work on that?