From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Possible change to startup.el Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 15:03:40 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87fyy3hvxl.fsf@jurta.org> <01c53c28$Blat.v2.4$1bd305e0@zahav.net.il> <87k6ndkv98.fsf@jurta.org> <01c53cda$Blat.v2.4$4eb132e0@zahav.net.il> <85is2q5iwl.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1113506474 26164 80.91.229.2 (14 Apr 2005 19:21:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 19:21:14 +0000 (UTC) Cc: juri@jurta.org, eliz@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Apr 14 21:21:12 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DM9ta-0007KK-JM for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 14 Apr 2005 21:20:59 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DM9ww-00034r-Ic for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 14 Apr 2005 15:24:26 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DM9rM-0001Jq-RY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 14 Apr 2005 15:18:41 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DM9r6-0001CF-S6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 14 Apr 2005 15:18:25 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DM9r2-00015F-KR for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 14 Apr 2005 15:18:20 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.164] (helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DM9dX-0005jA-7s for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 14 Apr 2005 15:04:23 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1DM9cq-0007VP-7x; Thu, 14 Apr 2005 15:03:40 -0400 Original-To: David Kastrup In-reply-to: <85is2q5iwl.fsf@gnu.org> (message from David Kastrup on Thu, 14 Apr 2005 01:58:02 +0200) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:35984 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:35984 > Until multi-language menus are supported, perhaps we should change the > menu item to say > > Emacs Tutorial (in YOUR-LANGUAGE) > > where YOUR-LANGUAGE stands for the language name. This should be done > only for those languages that indeed have a translated tutorial. The > tooltip should also hint about that. I think we should do that only for those languages that can't be shown in the menu. Since this depends on a complex interaction of platform, fonts and locales, I think the programmer wanting to put something into a menu can't be reasonably expected to make a guess. So I think that we should add something like (defun menu-string-supported-p STRING &optional DISPLAY) that will tell a programmer whether a given platform is supposed to be able to display a given string. This might be ok in theory, but I'd rather do something simpler.