From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: should xterm-mouse-mode be on by default? Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 15:03:38 -0400 Message-ID: References: <200504130141.j3D1fpAH016515@scanner2.ics.uci.edu> <200504132323.j3DNNnM01197@raven.dms.auburn.edu> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1113507906 30833 80.91.229.2 (14 Apr 2005 19:45:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 19:45:06 +0000 (UTC) Cc: dann@ics.uci.edu, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Apr 14 21:45:02 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DMAG6-0002MG-M6 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 14 Apr 2005 21:44:14 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DMAJS-0008I4-QB for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 14 Apr 2005 15:47:42 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DM9yN-0003tx-AS for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 14 Apr 2005 15:25:55 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DM9rA-0001Cb-JF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 14 Apr 2005 15:18:32 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DM9r3-00015F-UM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 14 Apr 2005 15:18:22 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.164] (helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DM9dV-0005j2-7b for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 14 Apr 2005 15:04:21 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1DM9co-0007VG-T9; Thu, 14 Apr 2005 15:03:38 -0400 Original-To: Luc Teirlinck In-reply-to: <200504132323.j3DNNnM01197@raven.dms.auburn.edu> (message from Luc Teirlinck on Wed, 13 Apr 2005 18:23:49 -0500 (CDT)) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:35995 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:35995 Did you try out Xterm Mouse mode for any prolonged period of time, performing non-trivial tasks? No, I have never used it. I normally use Emacs on text consoles, and the last thing I want to do is use the mouse. It is supposed to make Emacs handle the mouse in the usual way when running under an xterm, right? Anybody who uses Xterm Mouse mode _needs_ to know about the SHIFT functionality. That is, needs to have read either the xterm-mouse-mode docstring or `(emacs)XTerm Mouse'. Otherwise, the most basic mouse functionality, killing and yanking, does not work anymore (except _inside_ your Emacs session). I don't understand why that should be so. Would you please explain? Doesn't Xterm Mouse mode communicate selections to X in the usual way? The lack of the usual visual feedback (Emacs can not track the mouse, even with Xterm Mouse mode enabled), can also be very confusing, except to knowledgeable users. Why is this worse that with Xterm Mouse mode turned off?