From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Scrollbar bug on OS X Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 21:56:15 -0400 Message-ID: References: <7ca1709813602da58a139cee58fb4c63@gmail.com> <3b9c4e2f33d37fed55f640dcafbc8d65@gmail.com> <87is31i8jq.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> <0ba853825b580f74347416c2c0b4a169@gmail.com> <87vf70ausz.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> <5b72982df8c370d3a58358de397046c8@gmail.com> <4412c862c2ed4780ad36de7af86c88eb@swipnet.se> <07498e2dcf35d49e7701cc11e7d5ebdb@swipnet.se> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1113184864 21218 80.91.229.2 (11 Apr 2005 02:01:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 02:01:04 +0000 (UTC) Cc: david.reitter@gmail.com, snogglethorpe@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, miles@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Apr 11 04:01:02 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DKoER-0003jW-4V for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 04:00:55 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DKnoS-0005om-IG for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 10 Apr 2005 21:34:04 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DKnm8-00043m-QO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 10 Apr 2005 21:31:41 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DKnm2-00040N-C4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 10 Apr 2005 21:31:35 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DKnm1-0003xu-88 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 10 Apr 2005 21:31:33 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.164] (helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DKoC3-00061K-5J for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 10 Apr 2005 21:58:27 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1DKo9v-0000lL-4b; Sun, 10 Apr 2005 21:56:15 -0400 Original-To: "Jan D." In-reply-to: <07498e2dcf35d49e7701cc11e7d5ebdb@swipnet.se> (jan.h.d@swipnet.se) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:35849 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:35849 Yes,and for Lesstif/Motif. There has been bug reports on this approach. The main confusion seems to be that when a small buffer is used (like the three initial lines in the *scratch* buffer), the scrollbar thumb does not extend to the bottom, since we have added the fictitious lines at the bottom. The assumtion is that if you are seeing the whole buffer, the scroll bar thumb should indicate that by extending from top to bottom. Yes, it is not perfect. But all the alternatives have drawbacks. This might be the best of all the possibilities.