From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Possible change to startup.el Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 23:22:05 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87fyy3hvxl.fsf@jurta.org> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1112930525 7108 80.91.229.2 (8 Apr 2005 03:22:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 03:22:05 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Apr 08 05:22:04 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DJk4C-0001gm-6B for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 08 Apr 2005 05:21:56 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DJjdc-0003Gd-FO for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 07 Apr 2005 22:54:28 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DJjcd-0002pO-Dx for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Apr 2005 22:53:27 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DJjca-0002mn-Bm for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Apr 2005 22:53:25 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DJjcZ-0002lA-VH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Apr 2005 22:53:24 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.164] (helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DJk5U-0000qN-7X for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Apr 2005 23:23:16 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1DJk4L-0007Ib-3G; Thu, 07 Apr 2005 23:22:05 -0400 Original-To: Juri Linkov In-reply-to: <87fyy3hvxl.fsf@jurta.org> (message from Juri Linkov on Thu, 07 Apr 2005 09:55:18 +0300) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:35735 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:35735 After a week of messing with tutorial files we eventually reached the point where tutorial files are no more correct: some files now miss important references to copyright conditions If the reference to copyright conditions was deleted, could you put it back? and not grammatically correct anymore. Many languages don't allow titles ended with a period. What can they do, sue us? They will just have to suffer ;-). Seriously, you're making much ado about nothing. A more correct way to implement this feature is to add tutorial titles as a new property of the language info-alist similarly to the `sample-text' property which contains a sample text in the same language. I already decided that question, and posted the reasons not to do it this way. Emacs Tutorial Learn how to use Emacs efficiently (TUTORIAL TITLE) It suggest users to select "Emacs Tutorial" to get the tutorial in their native languages. What IS the menu item to get the tutorial in the locale-specified language? Maybe we should make that more convenient than it is now, before we document it in the splash screen. We could add a new menu item "Tutorial Translation" which does this. It would be good also to create a X menu with a list of languages after selecting "Emacs Tutorial (choose language)..." menu item to help Emacs novices to select their languages. I agree with that one.