From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Possible change to startup.el Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 23:11:17 -0500 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1112328982 5334 80.91.229.2 (1 Apr 2005 04:16:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 04:16:22 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Apr 01 06:16:16 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DHDZH-0005tk-R1 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 01 Apr 2005 06:15:36 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DHDq7-0003Vc-47 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 23:32:59 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DHDnV-0002LA-8r for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 23:30:17 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DHDnP-0002Hk-3l for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 23:30:11 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DHDnO-0002Gw-KD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 23:30:10 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.164] (helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DHDVN-0001Fs-Pt for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 23:11:33 -0500 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1DHDV7-0007yQ-39; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 23:11:17 -0500 Original-To: ttn@glug.org In-reply-to: (message from Thien-Thi Nguyen on Thu, 31 Mar 2005 00:47:44 +0200) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:35457 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:35457 unfortunately, i prematurely committed changes to the actual TUTORIAL files due to concerns that translators might not see the proposed changes. We must not wait for the individual translators to look at these files. That is difficult to manage, and unreliable. i think it's best that i stick w/ the code and let Marcelo and others handle updates to those files. :-( I am not going to do it that way. All the TUTORIAL files *must* be changed at the same time the code is changed. That is my decision. I would much rather have you change all the files, and get 90% of them right, than have you not change any files, and 90% will be wrong. So the point is to change these files the right way. Your new patch looks for the data in the right way, so I think you understand what change is right. I just changed etc/TUTORIAL to follow the new convention; that file now shows what the convention is. I saw three kinds of cases in looking at these files. * Files that already started with a translation of "Emacs tutorial" followed by a period. They were already correct; the only change needed now is to delete the line you added. * Files that had some longer sentence there. The longer sentence needs to be shortened (and the spurious line should be removed). * Just a few files did not start with such a sentence. Those files need to be brought into conformity with the rest. Please do this now. As for the patch in the code, I think it has some problems. The item for the FAQ seems to be deleted; I don't think that's right. It puts in two different items for the TUTORIALs, but the second one is so complex that I don't understand what job it does. Please show us the intended output from the second item, the new one. Please add more comments to both items so that it will be completely clear what this code is doing. That needs to be done in order for this patch to be installed.