From mboxrd@z Thu Jan  1 00:00:00 1970
Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail
From: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel
Subject: Re: debug declaration.
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 22:52:36 -0500
Message-ID: <E1DFOpI-00007N-R2@fencepost.gnu.org>
References: <87br9a8ijc.fsf@xs4all.nl> <jwvacoumdsr.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org>
	<87wtrwf0iq.fsf@xs4all.nl> <m1is3fvkis.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org>
Reply-To: rms@gnu.org
NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org
X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1111897057 7339 80.91.229.2 (27 Mar 2005 04:17:37 GMT)
X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org
NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 04:17:37 +0000 (UTC)
Cc: Lute.Kamstra.lists@xs4all.nl, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Mar 27 06:17:35 2005
Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165])
	by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43)
	id 1DFPDO-0001mt-B0
	for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 06:17:30 +0200
Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org)
	by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43)
	id 1DFPTD-0003tA-0O
	for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 23:33:51 -0500
Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43)
	id 1DFPLJ-0001T8-02
	for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 23:25:41 -0500
Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43)
	id 1DFPL7-0001Oq-VN
	for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 23:25:32 -0500
Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org)
	by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DFPL3-0001J1-5X
	for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 23:25:25 -0500
Original-Received: from [199.232.76.164] (helo=fencepost.gnu.org)
	by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DFOpJ-0003O7-3i
	for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 22:52:37 -0500
Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.34)
	id 1DFOpI-00007N-R2; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 22:52:36 -0500
Original-To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
In-reply-to: <m1is3fvkis.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (message from Stefan
	Monnier on Fri, 25 Mar 2005 10:14:38 -0500)
X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5
Precedence: list
List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." <emacs-devel.gnu.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-devel>,
	<mailto:emacs-devel-request@gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://lists.gnu.org/pipermail/emacs-devel>
List-Post: <mailto:emacs-devel@gnu.org>
List-Help: <mailto:emacs-devel-request@gnu.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-devel>,
	<mailto:emacs-devel-request@gnu.org?subject=subscribe>
Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org
Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org
Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:35221
X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:35221

    Experience proves the doc is wrong.  What I found instead is that `form'
    can't be used after &define.  I think the bug is not that things don't work
    with `&define' but that edebug should burp on a spec that uses both &define
    and `form' (or `body' for that matter).

Could you fix this (and the manual)?

    Ideally define-generic-mode should (just like define-derived-mode does)
    generate stand-alone code which does not require generic.el.

I don't agree--I don't see any harm in using generic.el.
It exists to provide support for this.