From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: require-hard-newlines to use newline Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 15:57:42 -0500 Message-ID: References: <1483.220.255.172.231.1109730379.squirrel@www.stupidchicken.com> <200503020302.j2232fR21722@raven.dms.auburn.edu> <2750.220.255.172.231.1109734015.squirrel@www.stupidchicken.com> <1415.220.255.169.59.1109818150.squirrel@www.stupidchicken.com> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1109884465 26338 80.91.229.2 (3 Mar 2005 21:14:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 21:14:25 +0000 (UTC) Cc: teirllm@dms.auburn.edu, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Mar 03 22:14:25 2005 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1D6xe7-000229-ON for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 03 Mar 2005 22:14:12 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1D6xx9-0001AG-Pb for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 03 Mar 2005 16:33:51 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1D6xlk-00048w-Lc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 03 Mar 2005 16:22:04 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1D6xlc-00043U-9v for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 03 Mar 2005 16:21:56 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1D6xla-0003wB-CV for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 03 Mar 2005 16:21:54 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.164] (helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1D6xOB-0001wG-Np for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 03 Mar 2005 15:57:43 -0500 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1D6xOA-0008IH-S5; Thu, 03 Mar 2005 15:57:42 -0500 Original-To: "Chong Yidong" In-reply-to: <1415.220.255.169.59.1109818150.squirrel@www.stupidchicken.com> (cyd@stupidchicken.com) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org X-MailScanner-To: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:34148 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:34148 It is impossible to distinguish between a soft newline left at the end of a line by require-final-newline, and a soft newline produced by, e.g., a call to kill-line, I don't see how a call to kill-line can produce a newline. I don't understand you. simply by looking at the context. Both are soft, and both occur at the end of a line. Both newlines might even occur at the end of a buffer, if that was the final line. But the first is conceptually a hard newline Why do you think it is "conceptually a hard newline"? I don't think that is true. As I understand it, the newline that ends the last line in a paragraph is normally soft. A hard newline would end the following blank line. The newline added by require-final-newline would be at the end of the last line in a paragraph, so it ought to be soft.