From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ralf Angeli Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Tooltips on w32 slow and strange Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 20:44:33 +0100 Message-ID: References: <016b01c51163$45e1d630$0200a8c0@sedrcw11488> <16186.217.194.34.123.1108368907.squirrel@wwws.franken.de> <4210762C.9030203@gnu.org> <135420c2f94e0c4c6d3c7ffaee6faf00@swipnet.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1108410269 7671 80.91.229.6 (14 Feb 2005 19:44:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 19:44:29 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Feb 14 20:44:23 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1D0m8s-0001aU-00 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 20:44:23 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1D0mOT-00081J-Ni for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 15:00:29 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1D0mNn-0007s5-IE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 14:59:47 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1D0mNl-0007qZ-9U for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 14:59:46 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1D0mNk-0007pb-Gn for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 14:59:44 -0500 Original-Received: from [134.96.7.31] (helo=justus.rz.uni-saarland.de) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1D0m9H-0005Gs-Sw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 14:44:48 -0500 Original-Received: from iwi-gate.iwi.uni-sb.de (iwi-gate.iwi.uni-sb.de [134.96.72.13]) by justus.rz.uni-saarland.de (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1EJikZH3488912; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 20:44:46 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from [134.96.72.190] (helo=neutrino.iwi.uni-sb.de) by iwi-gate.iwi.uni-sb.de with esmtp (Exim 4.43 (FreeBSD)) id 1D0m94-000ORY-1H; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 20:44:34 +0100 Original-Received: from angeli by neutrino.iwi.uni-sb.de with local (Exim 4.44) id 1D0m93-0001Rq-PW; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 20:44:33 +0100 Original-To: "Jan D." In-Reply-To: <135420c2f94e0c4c6d3c7ffaee6faf00@swipnet.se> (Jan D.'s message of "Mon, 14 Feb 2005 19:55:50 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.110003 (No Gnus v0.3) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-IWi-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-IWi-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-IWi-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0, required 5, autolearn=disabled) X-MailScanner-From: angeli@iwi.uni-sb.de X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-1.5.1 (justus.rz.uni-saarland.de [134.96.7.31]); Mon, 14 Feb 2005 20:44:46 +0100 (CET) X-AntiVirus: checked by AntiVir Milter 1.0.6; AVE 6.29.0.11; VDF 6.29.0.124 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:33415 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:33415 * Jan D. (2005-02-14) writes: >> I just saw those tooltips the first time in my life by enabling >> tooltip-mode and hovering with the mouse pointer over some menus >> generated by AUCTeX. If one is used to native GTK tooltips, the ones >> generated by Emacs look really awkward. > > Care to elaborate? The main difference is that GTK tool tips always > seems to appear below a tool bar button, where as Emacs tool tips are > some distance from the pointer. The color and font also differs, but > that can be customized. Maybe we can make tool tips appear under the > button if it is for a tool bar button. Would that be better? > > The problem with the font is that Emacs doesn't support anti aliased > fonts (yet), but GTK uses them all over, even in tool tips. The deficiencies you just mentioned pretty much sum up my concerns with Emacs tooltips. I don't care much about positioning, but the difference in the font (font family, size, anti-aliasing) and color used for tooltips alienates them from the rest of the environment. Ideally there shouldn't be a need to customize the appearance of tooltips. It would be desirable if Emacs "simply" used tooltips provided by the toolkit it was configured for (in case the toolkit supports tooltips). This would, for example, also eliminate the need to re-customize their appearance in case one changes the theme of a themeable toolkit. But I guess there are more pressing things to do for the next release. -- Ralf