From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Eliminating "changed in Emacs outside of Customize" Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 01:39:40 -0500 Message-ID: References: <87lla8xdps.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1107413251 19470 80.91.229.2 (3 Feb 2005 06:47:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 06:47:31 +0000 (UTC) Cc: abraham@dina.kvl.dk, drew.adams@oracle.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Feb 03 07:47:30 2005 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cwalb-0004vl-MK for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 03 Feb 2005 07:47:03 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cways-0000zK-AB for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 03 Feb 2005 02:00:46 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Cwaw4-0007qT-Pl for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 03 Feb 2005 01:57:53 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Cwaw2-0007pL-6b for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 03 Feb 2005 01:57:50 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cwaw1-0007mM-Lw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 03 Feb 2005 01:57:49 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.164] (helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CwahG-0007Ys-GA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 03 Feb 2005 01:42:34 -0500 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1CwaeS-0007aV-Qy; Thu, 03 Feb 2005 01:39:40 -0500 Original-To: Stefan Monnier In-reply-to: <87lla8xdps.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (message from Stefan Monnier on Tue, 01 Feb 2005 15:04:52 -0500) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org X-MailScanner-To: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:32791 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:32791 - Let's imagine user Helen has had a (setq-default fill-column 42) in her .emacs (or maybe it's in some package that she doesn't even remember she's loading from a .emacs). - Now let's imagine that Helen notices that her fill-column is too small and she wants to set it to something else, like 70. - She does M-x customize-variable RET fill-column RET, then changes the value, then saves. - When she restarts, fill-column is 42 again. Why so? If .emacs ends with custom-set-variables, it will install the value of 70. I think that Drew Adams' reasoning is correct. In this latter case, - Since she's not arrogant, she figures she must have made a mistake so she goes through the customize-variable thingy again. she would see in Customize that the variable is considered "set in this session". So she would know she has to look for something else that sets the variable.