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From: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: backup method
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 17:18:57 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1CuHyb-0006AB-00@fencepost.gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20050127015432.GB6167@boetes.org> (message from Han Boetes on Thu, 27 Jan 2005 02:54:10 +0100)

    The default backup method is mv and then create a new file. That's
    nice if you really want to keep the timestamp intact. But if you
    use emacs with crontab -e you remove the tmpfile and since the
    filedescriptor is still open your update to your cron is lost --
    without warning. It was pretty hard to discover why this happened.

    So I would like to suggest to  make backup by copying the default.

I won't change it in general, but we could probably arrange to use
backup by copying for *this specific case*.  Can you give a precise
recipe for distinguishing this case--a regexp for these file names,
perhaps?

    If the file is open ie another program has fopen'ed the file then
    you have an exceptional case.

    lsof and fstat ( for BSD ) can detect open file descriptors. I
    suppose emacs can do the same.

It is not the case in general that the existence of other descriptors
means it is better to backup by copying.  That's what you want in this
particular case, for crontab files.  However, in other cases where
another program is reading the old version, it should be able to
continue reading the old version, and editing the file should not
interfere with it.

  reply	other threads:[~2005-01-27 22:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-01-27  0:02 backup method Han Boetes
2005-01-27  0:45 ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-01-27  1:20   ` Miles Bader
2005-01-27  1:37     ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-01-27  1:54     ` Han Boetes
2005-01-27 22:18       ` Richard Stallman [this message]
2005-01-28  3:56         ` Han Boetes
2005-01-29  4:16           ` Richard Stallman
2005-01-29  6:08             ` Han Boetes
2005-01-29 18:42               ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-01-29 21:06                 ` Stefan Monnier
2005-01-29 21:48                   ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-01-29 22:37                     ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-01-29 22:49                     ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-01-29 21:57                   ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-01-29 22:05                   ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-01-29 22:52                 ` Han Boetes
2005-01-29 23:50                   ` Stefan Monnier
2005-01-30 21:52                     ` Han Boetes
2005-01-31  0:20                     ` Richard Stallman
2005-01-31  0:57                       ` Stefan Monnier
2005-02-01 13:30                         ` Richard Stallman
2005-02-01 14:09                           ` Stefan Monnier
2005-02-03  6:40                             ` Richard Stallman
2005-02-03  9:27                               ` David Kastrup
2005-02-03 10:15                                 ` Han Boetes
2005-02-05  5:28                                 ` Richard Stallman
2005-02-05 10:26                                   ` David Kastrup
2005-02-06 10:29                                     ` Richard Stallman
2005-01-31  0:20                 ` Richard Stallman
2005-01-31  4:07                   ` Han Boetes
2005-01-29 20:06               ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-01-30 10:57               ` Richard Stallman
2005-01-30 11:39                 ` Han Boetes
2005-01-27 18:25   ` Kevin Rodgers
2005-01-27 20:25     ` Reiner Steib
2005-01-27 23:19       ` Miles Bader
2005-01-27 23:12     ` Miles Bader
2005-01-28  3:55     ` Richard Stallman
2005-01-27  1:47 ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-01-27  2:08   ` Han Boetes
2005-01-27  2:27     ` Han Boetes
2005-01-27  4:59       ` Han Boetes
2005-01-27  2:37     ` Miles Bader
2005-01-27  3:27       ` Han Boetes
2005-01-27  5:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-01-27  5:27   ` Han Boetes
2005-01-27 19:41     ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-01-28  4:14       ` Han Boetes
2005-01-27  8:30   ` Kim F. Storm
2005-01-27 19:55     ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-01-27 21:12       ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-01-27 20:15     ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-01-27 22:19     ` Richard Stallman

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