From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: not too happy with Emacs 21 vertical-line dragging when scrollbars present Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 13:10:44 -0400 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1097082713 8060 80.91.229.6 (6 Oct 2004 17:11:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 17:11:53 +0000 (UTC) Cc: miles@gnu.org, drew.adams@oracle.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Oct 06 19:11:35 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1CFFKA-0005cU-00 for ; Wed, 06 Oct 2004 19:11:34 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CFFQr-0003Zw-Rg for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 06 Oct 2004 13:18:29 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CFFQB-0003Kc-6O for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Oct 2004 13:17:49 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CFFQ8-0003JE-FG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Oct 2004 13:17:44 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CFFQ8-0003It-AD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Oct 2004 13:17:44 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.164] (helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CFFJP-0004k4-Uq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Oct 2004 13:10:48 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1CFFJM-0000lV-PK; Wed, 06 Oct 2004 13:10:44 -0400 Original-To: storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm) In-reply-to: (storm@cua.dk) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:28001 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:28001 It would be much better if we could find a way to just drag the scroll-bar. Dragging in the scroll bar has another meaning. One way would be to always make a tiny area between windows that you could drag. But unless we do it by reducing the qscroll bar width, that would take away space that is now used for text display. We DID have a tiny area, at the bottom of the scroll bar. Drew is complaining that we got rid of it. It is much easier to use a square than a very thin rectangle. It is hard to put the mouse on the latter. It is much harder (impossible) to make a drag-able area to the right of the modeline, as there is no fixed right edge of the modeline at the lisp level [the modeline is simply truncated by redisplay]. It would be hard to do it at the right using mode-line-format. It would be easy to add a new feature that would override part of the mode line at the right when appropriate.