From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: describe-mode's treatment of minor-modes is annoying Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 16:08:14 -0400 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <87wu3s96ru.fsf@tc-1-100.kawasaki.gol.ne.jp> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1083702166 4602 80.91.224.253 (4 May 2004 20:22:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 20:22:46 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Tue May 04 22:22:32 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BL6Qx-0004r8-00 for ; Tue, 04 May 2004 22:22:31 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BL6Qx-00011d-00 for ; Tue, 04 May 2004 22:22:31 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BL6OJ-0004kS-9A for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 16:19:47 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.30) id 1BL6Jh-0003p2-LP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 16:15:01 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.30) id 1BL6Gf-0002Vn-6x for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 16:12:25 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.164] (helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BL6D9-00011z-Km for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 16:08:15 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.24) id 1BL6D8-0003QY-4u; Tue, 04 May 2004 16:08:14 -0400 Original-To: Miles Bader In-reply-to: <87wu3s96ru.fsf@tc-1-100.kawasaki.gol.ne.jp> (message from Miles Bader on 04 May 2004 13:05:09 +0900) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:22743 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:22743 Am I the only one who's annoyed by the way describe-mode now displays minor modes? It fills up the beginning of the buffer with notes about a zillion minor modes, most of which I don't care about, and which almost always manage to push the major mode description (which I usually _do_ care about) entirely off the screen? I think it used to put the minor modes after the major mode. The problem was, people did not even know the minor mode info was there. E.g., make the layout something like: (Information on [minor modes] comes after the major mode description) This might be ok. It should also suggest typing C-x ] C-x ] to get to the minor mode information. That should always work, since the major mode doc string should never contain a page break.