From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Menu suggestion Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 06:44:48 -0400 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <87wu40vgds.fsf@mail.jurta.org> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1083236305 27741 80.91.224.253 (29 Apr 2004 10:58:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 10:58:25 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Thu Apr 29 12:58:12 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BJ9F6-0001Ga-00 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 12:58:12 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BJ9F5-0002Ye-00 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 12:58:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BJ966-0006uF-0B for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 06:48:54 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.30) id 1BJ958-0006t2-Sm for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 06:47:54 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.30) id 1BJ94a-0006mq-Ay for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 06:47:51 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.164] (helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BJ94N-0006m5-QM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 06:47:07 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.24) id 1BJ928-0007Sz-KI; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 06:44:48 -0400 Original-To: Juri Linkov In-reply-to: <87wu40vgds.fsf@mail.jurta.org> (message from Juri Linkov on Wed, 28 Apr 2004 08:09:32 +0300) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:22350 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:22350 I am eager to achieve maximum efficiency in Emacs editing, but I don't see how an asymmetrical layout of C-f C-b C-n C-p C-a C-e C-v M-v is better for cursor motion than logically placed arrow keys: home up pgup left right end down pgdn The arrow keys are perfectly logical, but efficiency is a different question. They are less efficient because they require you to move your hand to another position. On laptops the hand movement is smaller, but it is still significant. For occasional users, the logical nature of the arrow keys makes them better. For peoplw who use Emacs for hours a day, it is worth learning the old Emacs bindings.