From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Menu suggestion Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 06:12:36 -0400 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1083147991 28334 80.91.224.253 (28 Apr 2004 10:26:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 10:26:31 +0000 (UTC) Cc: miles@gnu.org, dak@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, storm@cua.dk Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Wed Apr 28 12:26:25 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BImGn-0005Xc-00 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 12:26:25 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BImGn-00029v-00 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 12:26:25 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BImGD-0003Sf-94 for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 06:25:49 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.30) id 1BImBd-0001rB-Kd for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 06:21:05 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.30) id 1BIm9o-00010M-Vl for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 06:19:40 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.164] (helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BIm5X-0008B9-Vi for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 06:14:47 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.24) id 1BIm3Q-0001Da-Ke; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 06:12:36 -0400 Original-To: Stefan Monnier In-reply-to: (message from Stefan Monnier on 27 Apr 2004 10:21:44 -0400) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:22291 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:22291 You seem to assume that the tutorial has something to do with efficiently using Emacs. If so, I think it should spend more time explaining C-M-f and C-M-u (random examples) then C-f and C-n. The tutorial's job is to get people started on the path. The tutorial is already rather long, and if we added the many other commands that are useful to various classes of users, it would be far too long. The idea is that the tutorial gets people started, and they learn the rest from the Emacs manual.