From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: porting GNU Emacs to kde (?) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 23:58:37 -0500 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <878yi9r9go.fsf@isis.myth> <873c852aqx.fsf@hciat-16.ics.forth.gr> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1079845493 19248 80.91.224.253 (21 Mar 2004 05:04:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 05:04:53 +0000 (UTC) Cc: jgeorgal@uoc.gr, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Sun Mar 21 06:04:48 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1B4v8i-0001Yk-00 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 06:04:48 +0100 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1B4v8i-0005Gd-00 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 06:04:48 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B4v7W-0001EM-5Y for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 00:03:34 -0500 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.30) id 1B4v7O-0001CT-Mv for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 00:03:26 -0500 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.30) id 1B4v6s-0000sU-Ip for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 00:03:25 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.164] (helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B4v6r-0000s6-Jv for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 00:02:53 -0500 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.24) id 1B4v2j-00088k-Uj; Sat, 20 Mar 2004 23:58:37 -0500 Original-To: David Kastrup In-reply-to: (message from David Kastrup on 19 Mar 2004 16:59:52 +0100) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:20661 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:20661 Yes. Personally, I don't understand RMS' "it would not be right for Emacs to have more support for KDE than for GNOME" mostly as an admonition that one should not proceed hastily towards a KDE solution and later find that one made design decisions that complicate integrating Emacs into GNOME. This interpretation is not correct. What I said is that a GNU package should support GNOME at least as well as it supports any non-GNU desktop. The maintainers should not leave it to chance, or to the actions of others, to control whether this is true. They should make sure this is always true. GNU packages such as GNU Emacs and GNOME are part of a larger project, the GNU Project. They should help each other out and support each other. If Emacs included support for KDE in ways that it did not support GNOME, that would be disloyal. We will not do that. To maintain a GNU package as if it existed in isolation, as if the only goal were to make that package good and popular, is to work towards the wrong goal. The goal is to make the GNU system good and popular. Maintainers should not forget to work together on this.