From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: C-z (Re: Two GTK related feature requests) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 23:19:19 -0500 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <87oew8so3g.fsf@cs.cmu.edu> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1067488093 19023 80.91.224.253 (30 Oct 2003 04:28:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 04:28:13 +0000 (UTC) Cc: bob@rattlesnake.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, ke@gnu.franken.de Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Thu Oct 30 05:28:10 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AF4Pq-0002Yt-00 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 05:28:10 +0100 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AF4Pq-0007pJ-00 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 05:28:10 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AF4Pa-00027C-Ur for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 23:27:54 -0500 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) id 1AF4N3-0001E9-NK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 23:25:17 -0500 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) id 1AF4MX-00012A-BL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 23:25:16 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.164] (helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AF4MV-00011O-Au for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 23:24:43 -0500 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.24) id 1AF4HH-0004x9-SL; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 23:19:19 -0500 Original-To: Miles Bader In-reply-to: (message from Miles Bader on 29 Oct 2003 16:28:52 +0900) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:17604 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:17604 Maybe we should just bite the bullet and get rid of the current C-z binding on both ttys _and_ in X. We could do that if users, even beginning users, would prefer it. I always use C-z to suspend Emacs, but I could rebind it myself or learn to use C-x C-z. However, we would need to take a poll to find out whether a substantial fraction of users would be unhappy with this change. We can't judge anything from the opinions of the developers on this list. The same applies to the idea of removing the C-z binding only under X. Does anyone want to take a poll? If so, please send me email.