From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: terminal escapes in Info files? Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:02:29 -0500 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <200310282009.h9SK95E06713@f7.net> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1067456857 28134 80.91.224.253 (29 Oct 2003 19:47:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 19:47:37 +0000 (UTC) Cc: eliz@elta.co.il, dirt@gtk.org, monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Wed Oct 29 20:47:33 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AEwI1-0007lC-00 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 20:47:33 +0100 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AEwHx-0003Oe-00 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 20:47:33 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AEwCu-0002tX-9P for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:42:16 -0500 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) id 1AEvrY-0000rh-HA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:20:12 -0500 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) id 1AEvgQ-0006G5-2f for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:09:13 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.164] (helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AEvfZ-0005tT-4I for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:07:49 -0500 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.24) id 1AEvaP-0004Tt-4n; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:02:29 -0500 Original-To: karl@freefriends.org (Karl Berry) In-reply-to: <200310282009.h9SK95E06713@f7.net> (karl@freefriends.org) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:17579 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:17579 rms: I am actually coming to believe that using the raw terminal escape sequences is as clean as anything else in this particular limited context. I firmly disagree. Perhaps it is a good idea to use ESC to start these sequences, so that nothing in existing info files needs to be changed, but we should certainly use something easier to understand than those irrelevant ASCII escape sequences to specify the meaning of the markup. We do want to specify things as a higher level, not the terminal colors. And we should use a clean syntax, perhaps HTML markup constructs.