From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: windows-1251 language environment Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 05:24:32 -0400 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <200310032356.54476.pogonyshev@gmx.net> <200310060013.52049.pogonyshev@gmx.net> <200310070254.LAA11795@etlken.m17n.org> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1066815038 26124 80.91.224.253 (22 Oct 2003 09:30:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 09:30:38 +0000 (UTC) Cc: handa@m17n.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA, jasonr@f2s.com, pogonyshev@gmx.net Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Wed Oct 22 11:30:34 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1ACFK6-0001g5-00 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 11:30:34 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1ACFK6-0003xt-00 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 11:30:34 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1ACFJo-0002sa-8E for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 05:30:16 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) id 1ACFJ4-0002hv-UF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 05:29:30 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) id 1ACFIU-0002SO-84 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 05:29:26 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.164] (helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1ACFIU-0002SA-0N for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 05:28:54 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.24) id 1ACFEG-0004ZT-Op; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 05:24:32 -0400 Original-To: Dave Love In-reply-to: (message from Dave Love on Mon, 20 Oct 2003 20:50:54 +0100) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:17319 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:17319 They appear to say that the components of the name are standardized, but the Single Unix Spec v3 (now equivalent to POSIX?) actually says they are implementation-defined: POSIX has never tried to specify the locales. But if there is a broadly accepted de-facto standard, that's just as good for us to use as an official standard. > What I said is that Emacs > should not *rely on* an external mechanism such as locales for > customization. It should provide an Emacs-natural customize mechanism > *also*. I don't think customization based on language, territory and codeset is really unnatural. 1. You specify the locale with an envvar. Emacs must provide a way to do it with commands or user options. 2. It is ok to have a command or user option whose argument or value is a locale name. But there should also be a command or user option where you specify just the language, and other things default from that to the extent possible. And that's what should be in the menus.