From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Info-scroll-prefer-subnodes default in Emacs. Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 22:57:36 -0400 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <200306200119.h5K1Jic11729@eel.dms.auburn.edu> <200306240255.h5O2t3T14984@eel.dms.auburn.edu> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1056510214 29440 80.91.224.249 (25 Jun 2003 03:03:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 03:03:34 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Wed Jun 25 05:03:29 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19V0XC-0007ZX-00 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 05:01:22 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 19V0b1-0007aC-00 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 05:05:19 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19V0X0-0002KH-AL for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 23:01:10 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19V0WA-0001yJ-VH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 23:00:18 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19V0Uh-0008Mq-Ed for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 22:58:51 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19V0TY-0007Lv-Cd for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 22:57:36 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.20) id 19V0TY-0003mA-6L; Tue, 24 Jun 2003 22:57:36 -0400 Original-To: Luc Teirlinck In-reply-to: <200306240255.h5O2t3T14984@eel.dms.auburn.edu> (message from Luc Teirlinck on Mon, 23 Jun 2003 21:55:03 -0500 (CDT)) Original-cc: karl@freefriends.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:15222 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:15222 Should I change the default and write a NEWS entry? I guess we also need NEWS entries for kill-whole-line, vis-mode, the new behavior of R and friends in dired when applied to . and .. (assuming a final decision was made on that issue, this was not completely clear) and for Info-hide-note-references which never got mentioned in the NEWS. I could write NEWS entries for kill-whole-line and vis-mode and, if desired, for the two other issues. Please write NEWS entries for all of them. I decided what Dired ought to do, but it has not yet been implemented I think. With Info-scroll-prefer-subnodes set to nil or in the stand-alone Info, we first scroll through the index and then go to (emacs)Shell Commands in Dired. It would be more consistent with the "browse through everything consecutively as if it were one single document" philosophy if we went to the next node, (emacs)Option Index instead. Yes. I see two ways to implement that. One way is to have two kinds of menus, one that represents the document's structure and one that doesn't. The index could say `* Index:' instead of `* Menu:'. It would work the same in m but differently in SPC. Karl, what do you think? Another way is to do the index using xrefs instead of menus. Practically speaking, changing the order of Next pointers so that the indices come at the end might make things good enough in the Emacs manual. It still would not be entirely correct, though.