From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Problems with info (emacs version) Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 20:08:09 -0400 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <200306020333.h523XMC23468@eel.dms.auburn.edu> <200306031624.h53GOG424960@eel.dms.auburn.edu> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1054775197 18224 80.91.224.249 (5 Jun 2003 01:06:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 01:06:37 +0000 (UTC) Cc: jas@extundo.com Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Thu Jun 05 03:06:35 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19NjD9-0004jn-00 for ; Thu, 05 Jun 2003 03:06:35 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 19NjUy-0001u9-00 for ; Thu, 05 Jun 2003 03:25:00 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19NjCn-0007Hy-Gu for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Wed, 04 Jun 2003 21:06:13 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19Nivp-0007Nq-UN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Jun 2003 20:48:41 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19Nivj-0007Ii-D3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Jun 2003 20:48:36 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19NiIb-0005ml-Ur for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Jun 2003 20:08:09 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.20) id 19NiIb-0003pU-NG; Wed, 04 Jun 2003 20:08:09 -0400 Original-To: Luc Teirlinck In-reply-to: <200306031624.h53GOG424960@eel.dms.auburn.edu> (message from Luc Teirlinck on Tue, 3 Jun 2003 11:24:16 -0500 (CDT)) Original-cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:14735 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:14735 Inappropriate: Using the invisibility properties for internal Emacs purposes. As the various problems I reported show, there is nothing "internal" about the invisibility property. I do not accept that assertion. The invisible property is meant for other sorts of usage as well. However, in this particular case (info menus), it might be better to remove those characters from the buffer rather than mark them invisible. `display' This property activates various features that change the way text is displayed. For example, it can make text appear taller or shorter, higher or lower, wider or narrow, or replaced with an image. Inappropriate: As a way to make text impossible to see, without making it invisible, by displaying it as whitespace (as info does extensively), or, more generally, as a way to display regular text as some other regular text with unrelated content, as an alternative for such lowly tools, typically used by the unsophisticated masses, as deletion and insertion. I agree with this one.