From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Idea for determining what users use Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 04:53:08 -0400 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <200306030243.h532hup24488@eel.dms.auburn.edu> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1054717899 9392 80.91.224.249 (4 Jun 2003 09:11:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 09:11:39 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Wed Jun 04 11:11:36 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19NUIQ-0002PP-00 for ; Wed, 04 Jun 2003 11:11:02 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 19NUZw-0000j1-00 for ; Wed, 04 Jun 2003 11:29:08 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19NUBa-0006YA-MH for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Wed, 04 Jun 2003 05:03:58 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19NUAl-0006Eg-Vx for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Jun 2003 05:03:07 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19NUAQ-00064Y-2G for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Jun 2003 05:02:46 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19NU17-0002uH-08 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Jun 2003 04:53:09 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.20) id 19NU16-0005gg-QS; Wed, 04 Jun 2003 04:53:08 -0400 Original-To: Luc Teirlinck In-reply-to: <200306030243.h532hup24488@eel.dms.auburn.edu> (message from Luc Teirlinck on Mon, 2 Jun 2003 21:43:56 -0500 (CDT)) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:14672 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:14672 I will address the above issue below, but, first of all, is the intent to just have a head-count, nothing else, or is the intent to get feedback? The feature I propose is designed to get feedback from the user. It would not be that useful for a mere head-count. For this situation--a feature that we are thinking of eliminating--my idea was to get a head count. However, we could invite the user to add explanatory material to the message before sending it. By the way, we have indeed eliminated features in the past. We eliminated a number of features in 21.1. Sometimes they are features of a specific functions, rather than separate files. Popping up a non-selected buffer with a clickable field to mail, would in my opinion be less intrusive, because it allows the user to, say at least finish typing his current thoughts before worrying about the question. We could mess up the user's window-configuration, but maybe the function could save and offer to restore that configuration. That seems like a good idea. It fits naturally with the Emacs facilities for sending a message. And it will be clear that nothing will be sent unless the user types C-c C-c.