From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Cyrillic vs UTF-8 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 01:43:28 -0400 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <1858-Fri25Apr2003194023+0300-eliz@elta.co.il> <200304282149.h3SLnxSU002624@rum.cs.yale.edu> <200304291349.h3TDnKVt005184@rum.cs.yale.edu> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1051681445 8943 80.91.224.249 (30 Apr 2003 05:44:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 05:44:05 +0000 (UTC) Cc: jas@extundo.com Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Wed Apr 30 07:44:03 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19AkNv-0002K2-00 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 07:44:03 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 19AkWv-0002KS-00 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 07:53:21 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 19AkNg-0008MO-0B for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 01:43:48 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 19AkNO-0008Km-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 01:43:30 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 19AkNN-0008KS-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 01:43:30 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 19AkNN-0008KL-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 01:43:29 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.10) id 19AkNM-0008DH-00; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 01:43:28 -0400 Original-To: "Stefan Monnier" In-reply-to: <200304291349.h3TDnKVt005184@rum.cs.yale.edu> (monnier+gnu/emacs@rum.cs.yale.edu) Original-cc: eliz@elta.co.il Original-cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-cc: monnier+gnu/emacs@rum.cs.yale.edu X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:13565 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:13565 > > Agreed, but I think one of the problems is that the preference-ordering > > is the same for load-time-detection as it is for save-time-detection, > > so if you move utf-8 up for detection you end up saving all new files > > in utf-8 which is not OK in non-utf-8 locales. The problem only appears if you move utf-8 to the first spot. Moving it to the first spot otherwise makes sense since auto-detection of utf-8 is about as reliable as it gets. This suggests we do want to have two separate preferences lists, and put utf-8 at the top for reading.