From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: =?utf-8?B?7KGw7ISx67mI?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: dash.el [was: Re: Imports / inclusion of s.el into Emacs] Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 02:03:50 +0900 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="89479"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: tomas@tuxteam.de, Emacs developers To: Philippe Vaucher Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon May 11 19:04:51 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jYBrH-000N9V-F8 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 11 May 2020 19:04:51 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48636 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jYBrG-00082Y-E7 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 11 May 2020 13:04:50 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:59302) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jYBqd-0007bF-QB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 11 May 2020 13:04:11 -0400 Original-Received: from pv50p00im-ztdg10021101.me.com ([17.58.6.44]:40654) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jYBqc-0008Ph-Om for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 11 May 2020 13:04:11 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=icloud.com; s=1a1hai; t=1589216633; bh=s9ID5DWnU4BvKha2C6Nxt2u7aZg+gv5NFVBbPOmlJ98=; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Date:Message-Id:To; b=d7NC3I4HsdrFJ1dIIW3o7e/+HN4wTkvnzvxNiLvbGn1TbmbVAImBY/DLi0K3dP5pS OrDOUgPEWLv2haP+MoTHDJh7ef9DbH+y1YGZvs3XmE3k0Qvq1IporYXA7K5+Q+gExS b+EKpTwoiz4HmKdWPJjs0zu6uzf4hGY/RagaW8CwzjepI8WHK0FYTZngKB3DP+4QzE l42SRyRej6R1pzouGsQE1BoK+ZuObdDRGb1w2SXY1nZ4OBnfOl4i4rFaGat8JqwqwD 9EbcJTo5sP+OI1l9yeRhGRT8fs1ck5ZJglQ6ksjU/QmyTOFvfSpnj0YASYW0ZpD7JQ hBuzchewqGv/A== Original-Received: from [192.168.0.3] (unknown [1.230.108.64]) by pv50p00im-ztdg10021101.me.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7B4251805FC; Mon, 11 May 2020 17:03:53 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (17E262) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10434:6.0.216, 18.0.676 definitions=2020-05-11_08:2020-05-11, 2020-05-11 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1015 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=820 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-2002250000 definitions=main-2005110135 Received-SPF: pass client-ip=17.58.6.44; envelope-from=pcr910303@icloud.com; helo=pv50p00im-ztdg10021101.me.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/05/11 13:03:54 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.11 and newer X-Spam_score_int: -15 X-Spam_score: -1.6 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, FROM_EXCESS_BASE64=0.979, KHOP_DYNAMIC=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:249831 Archived-At: > 2020. 5. 11. =EC=98=A4=ED=9B=84 6:48, Philippe Vaucher =EC=9E=91=EC=84=B1: >=20 > =EF=BB=BF >>=20 >> In *your* frame of reference, perhaps. Not in mine, by a far shot. >> And I think /that/ is one of the shortcomings of this discussion. >>=20 >> As long as we don't accept all that there are different approaches >> and give up on the "mine's better (or 'more modern' or 'more Lispy' >> or whatnot) than yours" the discussion is bound to go in circles >> (at best) or to hurt feelings (at worst). >=20 > For the record I think I've reach that point since a while now. Yeah, so true.=20 > I'll happily continue to explain my way of thinking but I'm not > pushing anymore for mass aliases/renames, this is a dead end. Everybody in this mailing list that tried to push some more sane names got t= ired about why the current status quo isn=E2=80=99t good enogu, so... :-(