From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Gtk scrollbar: thumb too short Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 13:07:37 -0400 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <200304101830.h3AIU6bN017920@stubby.bodenonline.com> <200304111226.h3BCQbe03108@eel.dms.auburn.edu> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1050167335 8478 80.91.224.249 (12 Apr 2003 17:08:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 17:08:55 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Sat Apr 12 19:08:53 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 194OUn-0002Ca-00 for ; Sat, 12 Apr 2003 19:08:53 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 194Oao-0002yM-00 for ; Sat, 12 Apr 2003 19:15:06 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 194OTx-0008Is-0C for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Sat, 12 Apr 2003 13:08:02 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 194OTd-0008C2-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Apr 2003 13:07:41 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 194OTb-0008B0-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Apr 2003 13:07:39 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 194OTa-0008Am-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Apr 2003 13:07:38 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.10) id 194OTZ-0006FI-00; Sat, 12 Apr 2003 13:07:37 -0400 Original-To: Luc Teirlinck In-reply-to: <200304111226.h3BCQbe03108@eel.dms.auburn.edu> (message from Luc Teirlinck on Fri, 11 Apr 2003 07:26:37 -0500 (CDT)) Original-cc: jan.h.d@swipnet.se Original-cc: otaylor@redhat.com Original-cc: kai.grossjohann@gmx.net X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:13189 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:13189 If with the native scrollbar, you scroll till the thumb hits the bottom for the first time, you see the last screenfull of real text. If you keep scrolling till the thumb has minimal size, then the last line you can put point on is at the top. If the buffer ends in a newline, that means that there is no text on the screen. That sounds like the behavior I am advocating. Regardless of what character is at the end of the buffer, you can always do (set-window-start (point-max)) and then no text will be visible. The data structure has this possibility, so unless we write code to refuse to let the user do it, it can happen.