From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Gtk scrollbar: thumb too short Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 04:51:02 -0400 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <200304101830.h3AIU6bN017920@stubby.bodenonline.com> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1050051543 4515 80.91.224.249 (11 Apr 2003 08:59:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 08:59:03 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Fri Apr 11 10:59:01 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 193uNB-0001Ad-00 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 10:59:01 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 193uSY-000297-00 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 11:04:34 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 193uGO-0006PN-0A for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 04:52:00 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 193uFf-0005Tr-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 04:51:15 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 193uFV-0004xy-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 04:51:07 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 193uFT-0004qU-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 04:51:03 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.10) id 193uFS-00045C-00; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 04:51:02 -0400 Original-To: "Jan D." In-reply-to: <200304101830.h3AIU6bN017920@stubby.bodenonline.com> (jan.h.d@swipnet.se) Original-cc: teirllm@dms.auburn.edu Original-cc: kai.grossjohann@gmx.net Original-cc: otaylor@redhat.com X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:13147 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:13147 > The alternative that the thumb reaches the bottom only with maximum > overscrolling is bad in several ways. I explained the problem that we > get with a large file such as etc/NEWS: you cannot drag the thumb to > see the end of the file. If the thumb is at the bottom, you see no > text. If the thumb is one pixel up, you are looking at text quite a > ways from the end of the file. How is different from the native scrollbar? When I drag the thumb with mouse-2 in the native scrollbar to the end, I don't see any text, it has been overscrolled out of view. That sounds like exactly the alternative I am criticizing.