From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Gtk scrollbar: thumb too short Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 11:47:04 -0500 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <84llz3ijob.fsf@lucy.is.informatik.uni-duisburg.de> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1048697478 2294 80.91.224.249 (26 Mar 2003 16:51:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 16:51:18 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Wed Mar 26 17:51:12 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18yE7M-0000aQ-00 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 2003 17:51:12 +0100 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 18yE8p-0003j9-00 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 2003 17:52:43 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 18yE6n-000869-00 for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Wed, 26 Mar 2003 11:50:37 -0500 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 18yE6I-0007qs-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Mar 2003 11:50:06 -0500 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 18yE5S-0006zT-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Mar 2003 11:49:15 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 4.10.13) id 18yE3N-0005iD-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Mar 2003 11:47:05 -0500 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.10) id 18yE3M-0003uy-00; Wed, 26 Mar 2003 11:47:04 -0500 Original-To: kai.grossjohann@uni-duisburg.de (Kai =?iso-8859-1?q?Gro=DFjohann?=) In-reply-to: <84llz3ijob.fsf@lucy.is.informatik.uni-duisburg.de> (kai.grossjohann@uni-duisburg.de) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:12638 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:12638 But still, I'm not so happy with the current look of the scrollbar. It confuses me quite a bit. Is there no way to make the thumb extend to the bottom of the scrollbar area when end of buffer is visible, and yet to also allow scrolling further down so that the last line of the buffer can be moved to the top of the window? Perhaps we could have the thumb "move off the bottom" of the scroll bar, so that when ZV is at the top of the screen, the thumb is almost invisible. I don't know whether this would be convenient to use; perhaps that depends on many little details of the UI of the scroll bar. For xterm-style mouse-2, it would be convenient if it grabbed the mouse so that you could easily scroll the thumb beyond the bottom by moving the mouse beyond the bottom.