From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: no font shown with tamil.el Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 02:44:59 -0500 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1045295116 3388 80.91.224.249 (15 Feb 2003 07:45:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 07:45:16 +0000 (UTC) Cc: handa@m17n.org Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18jx0c-0000sP-00 for ; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 08:45:14 +0100 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 18jxDw-0003Pt-00 for ; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 08:59:00 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 18jx0m-00073o-02 for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 02:45:24 -0500 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 18jx0P-00072w-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 02:45:01 -0500 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 18jx0O-00072M-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 02:45:00 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 18jx0O-000727-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 02:45:00 -0500 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.10) id 18jx0N-0005XT-00; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 02:44:59 -0500 Original-To: =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCQG5IKBsoQiAbJEJCQDBsGyhC?= ( Taichi KAWABATA ) In-reply-to: (batta@beige.ocn.ne.jp) Original-cc: bob@rattlesnake.com Original-cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:11661 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:11661 o When I asked them about the use of their fonts for Emacs, they've given me the permisson in 1999. I'm sorry to say this, but I think you asked for the wrong kind of permission. Permission to "use something in Emacs" is permission that we cannot use. What we need is permission to include something in Emacs under a free license. If it is not under a free license, we can't use it. We can't even recommend it to people. Besides which, the permission that they gave does not apply to GNU Emacs at all: You may go ahead and create fonts for use on Linux. Hope adding credits to CDAC in copyright strings or in applications would be possible. Nothing we do is specifically for use with Linux. Some versions of the GNU system include Linux, and some do not. Emacs runs on the GNU/Linux system and on many other systems. In order to use something in Emacs we need more than just permission to use it "on Linux". (See http://www.gnu.org/gnu/linux-and-gnu.html). o I realize that their fonts are not really free fonts, but since they seems beautiful, popular, and only well known glyphs so that we had no choice for that fonts other than theirs at that time. It makes no difference how popular, beautiful or unique these fonts are. If something isn't free, we cannot use it. I will delete the recommendation from INSTALL now. However, there is no need to start changing code yet. I have various contacts with CDAC and will try convincing them to make these fonts free.