From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: pcl-cvs help Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 01:36:16 -0500 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <5l65sfa2t2.fsf@rum.cs.yale.edu> <200301232349.h0NNnWo09694@rum.cs.yale.edu> <200301240123.h0O1NK022670@champion.sslsecure.com> <200301271739.h0RHdbi31673@rum.cs.yale.edu> <11560000.1043711009@[10.0.1.8]> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1043822220 4851 80.91.224.249 (29 Jan 2003 06:37:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 06:37:00 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18dlqE-0001G7-00 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 07:36:58 +0100 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 18dlvH-0002UU-00 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 07:42:11 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 18dlrN-0000qa-04 for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 01:38:09 -0500 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 18dlqt-0000bq-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 01:37:39 -0500 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 18dlqp-0000Ti-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 01:37:36 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 18dlpY-0007wL-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 01:36:16 -0500 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.10) id 18dlpY-0000e0-00; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 01:36:16 -0500 Original-To: David Caldwell In-reply-to: <11560000.1043711009@[10.0.1.8]> (message from David Caldwell on Mon, 27 Jan 2003 15:43:29 -0800) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:11182 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:11182 > The OS X dropped process ouput problem is also exhibited by the nox emacs > shipped with OS X. The easiest way to see it is try something like "df" in > eshell (it usually outputs nothing). I have not seen this behavior on any > other unix-ish software on OS X. This seemed to eliminate the problem for me (from Andrew's FAQ): (setq process-connection-type nil) This could be a good work-around, but it would be better if we could fix the underlying Emacs code to make this unnecessary. However, that would depend on someone who works on Emacs on Mac OS to figure out the right fix. Andrew Choi wrote: There is a problem with the implementation of ptys on the Mac OS X. That was why I set process-connection-type to nil by default in lisp/term/mac-win.el. It's better to do this in Emacs than to advise every user to do it. Is this a bug in ptys such that Emacs can't make them work, or is it a bug in Emacs's pty support that could theoretically be fixed in Emacs?