From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: unibyte<->multibyte conversion [Re: Emacs-diffs Digest, Vol 2, Issue 28] Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 05:00:38 -0500 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <3405-Sat18Jan2003154003+0200-eliz@is.elta.co.il> <200301200229.LAA16287@etlken.m17n.org> <6480-Mon20Jan2003214849+0200-eliz@is.elta.co.il> <200301210010.JAA17551@etlken.m17n.org> <200301210045.h0L0jS812745@rum.cs.yale.edu> <200301210804.RAA03089@etlken.m17n.org> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1043229991 4913 80.91.224.249 (22 Jan 2003 10:06:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 10:06:31 +0000 (UTC) Cc: monnier+gnu/emacs@rum.cs.yale.edu Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18bHm9-0001Gv-00 for ; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 11:06:29 +0100 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 18bHnr-0007v2-00 for ; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 11:08:16 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 18bHln-0007S6-01 for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 05:06:07 -0500 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 18bHhZ-0005EE-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 05:01:45 -0500 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 18bHhJ-00058I-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 05:01:29 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 18bHgU-0004tO-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 05:00:38 -0500 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.10) id 18bHgU-0002ZD-00; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 05:00:38 -0500 Original-To: Kenichi Handa In-reply-to: <200301210804.RAA03089@etlken.m17n.org> (message from Kenichi Handa on Tue, 21 Jan 2003 17:04:37 +0900 (JST)) Original-cc: eliz@is.elta.co.il Original-cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:10970 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:10970 By the way, I think the culprit of the current problem is this Emacs' doctrine: Do unibyte<->mutibyte conversion by "MAKE" by default. Although this doctrine surely works for handling unibyte and multibyte represenation transparently, it makes Elisp programmers very very confused. It is absolutely crucial to make unibyte and multibyte operation interoperate smoothly for Latin character sets. We did this so that people who used Emacs for European character sets would not have trouble. It is more important to make things easy for non-programmers than to make it easy for programmers. So don't change this.