* Re: snarf up text when at query-replace from: prompt [not found] ` <87u1gloopx.fsf@jidanni.org> @ 2003-01-09 7:28 ` Richard Stallman 2003-01-09 12:32 ` Robert J. Chassell 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Richard Stallman @ 2003-01-09 7:28 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: emacs-devel well actually lets talk about C-s. If one hit C-s C-h, wouldn't it be neat if it were like when one hit C-h k C-s? At least give some hints in the minibuffer about goodies like: Type C-s to search again forward, C-r to search again backward. Type C-w to yank word from buffer onto end of search string and search for it. Type C-y to yank rest of line onto end of search string and search for it. Type M-y to yank last killed text onto end of search string and search for it. etc. Such a feature was implemented, but I turned it off. ;; Turned off because I find I expect to get the global definition--rms. ;; ;; Instead bind C-h to special help command for isearch-mode. ;; (define-key map "\C-h" 'isearch-mode-help) I think I found it inconvenient because I would type C-h expecting it to exit the search and do its usual job. However, if this feature is significantly good for beginners, maybe we should turn it on again, and I can turn it of in my .emacs file. Does anyone else have an opinion? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: snarf up text when at query-replace from: prompt 2003-01-09 7:28 ` snarf up text when at query-replace from: prompt Richard Stallman @ 2003-01-09 12:32 ` Robert J. Chassell 2003-01-10 9:53 ` Richard Stallman 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Robert J. Chassell @ 2003-01-09 12:32 UTC (permalink / raw) well actually lets talk about C-s. If one hit C-s C-h, wouldn't it be neat if it were like when one hit C-h k C-s? No, because that action will confuse beginners. Acting on the principle of `least surprise' they will come to expect all commands to work like that. Thus, a beginner would expect `s C-h' to provide the same results as `C-h k s' rather than the current result. If you made such a change, to what would you rebind `C-h' to so as to continue to provide the current features? -- Robert J. Chassell Rattlesnake Enterprises http://www.rattlesnake.com GnuPG Key ID: 004B4AC8 http://www.teak.cc bob@gnu.org ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: snarf up text when at query-replace from: prompt 2003-01-09 12:32 ` Robert J. Chassell @ 2003-01-10 9:53 ` Richard Stallman 2003-01-10 12:02 ` Robert J. Chassell 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Richard Stallman @ 2003-01-10 9:53 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: emacs-devel If you made such a change, to what would you rebind `C-h' to so as to continue to provide the current features? The point of the HELP key is that it does various kinds of help. Whenever HELP has a special local meaning, its normal meaning is unavailable. However, while in isearch, if you want to use the global meaning of HELP, RET HELP would always do it. The question is what HELP should do if you don't type RET. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: snarf up text when at query-replace from: prompt 2003-01-10 9:53 ` Richard Stallman @ 2003-01-10 12:02 ` Robert J. Chassell 2003-01-10 14:25 ` Kim F. Storm 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Robert J. Chassell @ 2003-01-10 12:02 UTC (permalink / raw) However, while in isearch, if you want to use the global meaning of HELP, RET HELP would always do it. No! His proposal, which I am against, suggests (by the principle of `least surprise') converting RET HELP to being equivalent to `C-h k RET'. Without a new keybinding, the global meaning of HELP would lack a keybinding. We should stick with what we have. -- Robert J. Chassell Rattlesnake Enterprises http://www.rattlesnake.com GnuPG Key ID: 004B4AC8 http://www.teak.cc bob@gnu.org ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: snarf up text when at query-replace from: prompt 2003-01-10 12:02 ` Robert J. Chassell @ 2003-01-10 14:25 ` Kim F. Storm 2003-01-12 11:54 ` Richard Stallman 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Kim F. Storm @ 2003-01-10 14:25 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: emacs-devel "Robert J. Chassell" <bob@rattlesnake.com> writes: > However, while in isearch, if you want to use the global meaning > of HELP, RET HELP would always do it. > > No! His proposal, which I am against, suggests (by the principle of > `least surprise') converting RET HELP to being equivalent to `C-h k > RET'. Without a new keybinding, the global meaning of HELP would lack > a keybinding. We should stick with what we have. As I understood Dan's proposal, he would like C-h during isearch to tell you what options (special bindings) you have in isearch mode [also known as context-sensitive help]. IMO, context sensitive help is a good thing, and it could be done quite cleanly like this (examplified by isearch): User enters isearch mode with C-s and maybe types a few characters. Minibuffer (or really the echo-area) contains: ======================== I-search: fewchars User now enters C-h; this enlarges the minibuffer/echo area to contain: ======================== C-w: copy word, C-t: toggle case, C-r: toggle regexp, C-s: next match, C-r: prev match, RET: quit I-search: fewchars Now, if the user hits C-h again, that could work like the normal help prefix (terminating I-search). We can even make the first C-h wait 0.3 seconds to see if the user enters another C-h and not show the context sensitive help in that case. -- Kim F. Storm <storm@cua.dk> http://www.cua.dk ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: snarf up text when at query-replace from: prompt 2003-01-10 14:25 ` Kim F. Storm @ 2003-01-12 11:54 ` Richard Stallman 0 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: Richard Stallman @ 2003-01-12 11:54 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: emacs-devel User now enters C-h; this enlarges the minibuffer/echo area to contain: ======================== C-w: copy word, C-t: toggle case, C-r: toggle regexp, C-s: next match, C-r: prev match, RET: quit I-search: fewchars The old code I commented out displayed the doc string isearch-forward, in a window. This could be more convenient. We could also add C-h: normal help commands in search to show how to get those commands. Want to implement it? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
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