From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: make bootstrap fails with newest CVS sources - 2002-11-25 Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 02:25:50 -0500 Sender: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <762A7BB74D6AD51195EF00B0D0AA16602C3851@STPETE> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1038468514 30770 80.91.224.249 (28 Nov 2002 07:28:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 07:28:34 +0000 (UTC) Cc: steventamm@mac.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18HJ69-00080A-00 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 08:28:33 +0100 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 18HJD7-0007PM-00 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 08:35:45 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18HJ4S-0005Fa-00; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 02:26:48 -0500 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10) id 18HJ3a-0004j4-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 02:25:54 -0500 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10) id 18HJ3X-0004iG-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 02:25:52 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18HJ3W-0004i1-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 02:25:50 -0500 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.10) id 18HJ3W-0000rC-00; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 02:25:50 -0500 Original-To: BenK@FreedomScientific.com In-reply-to: <762A7BB74D6AD51195EF00B0D0AA16602C3851@STPETE> (message from Ben Key on Tue, 26 Nov 2002 10:51:09 -0500) Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:9725 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:9725 Therefore I must conclude that the last change to cl-macs.el was not the one that broke make bootstrap. You are probably right. By reverting cl-macs.el we are only hiding the problem, not solving it. I disagree with that reasoning. The problem is the cycle of requires, and eliminating any one of them fixes it. I think the argument that cl-macs.el should avoid requiring anything is pretty strong. After all, lots of files require cl-macs (via cl). If cl-macs depends on anything, that will tend to lead to loops. This does not mean we should not also change the code that made button.el depend on cl-macs. Maybe we do. But why does it depend on cl-macs? It is not evident. Can someone figure out why? With A breakpoint at Frequire and a breakpoint at do_autoload you can find it out easily.