From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Gtk version getting closer Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 23:09:58 -0500 Sender: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <200211121231.gACCV1MU030709@stubby.bodenonline.com> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1037248378 30313 80.91.224.249 (14 Nov 2002 04:32:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 04:32:58 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18CBgX-0007sf-00 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 05:32:57 +0100 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 18CBsk-00016G-00 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 05:45:35 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18CBhF-0003FB-00; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 23:33:41 -0500 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10) id 18CBKM-0001aX-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 23:10:02 -0500 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10) id 18CBKJ-0001XJ-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 23:10:00 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18CBKI-0001X3-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 23:09:58 -0500 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.10) id 18CBKI-0005I8-00; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 23:09:58 -0500 Original-To: jan.h.d@swipnet.se In-reply-to: <200211121231.gACCV1MU030709@stubby.bodenonline.com> (jan.h.d@swipnet.se) Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:9407 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:9407 This isn't always the case. Maybe the help texts should be reviewed and expanded/removed as a result? For example, in Options we have: "Save Place in Files between Sessions" The tooltip for that is "Save Emacs state for next session". I think that the menu entry is much clearer hear, the tip is confusing. I am surprised you think so. I think they are both clear and that they complement each other. The same for the other items in that menu--they are useful. This menu shows why menu item tooltips need to work. The tips appear in the wrong places (i.e. under the pointer) sometimes. I don't have a Lucid version available, but in the Motif and Gtk version you can click and release on a menubar item to make the menu appear. Then you can navigate the menus with arrow keys. The tip displayed is for the menu item marked with the arrow keys, but the tip appears where the pointer is. The pointer can be on the other side of the screen, so this looks funny. That is indeed a bug; it would be good to fix it.