From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: problem of define-minor-mode while bootstrapping Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 23:19:58 -0400 Sender: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <200209191320.WAA03733@etlken.m17n.org> <200209191346.g8JDkdq07175@rum.cs.yale.edu> <200209200006.JAA04300@etlken.m17n.org> <200209201838.g8KIc8t13414@rum.cs.yale.edu> <20020921020041.GA1545@gnu.org> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1033183918 13383 127.0.0.1 (28 Sep 2002 03:31:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 03:31:58 +0000 (UTC) Cc: miles@gnu.org, monnier+gnu/emacs@rum.cs.yale.edu, handa@m17n.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17v8Ki-0003Tb-00 for ; Sat, 28 Sep 2002 05:31:56 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 17v93E-0007ZB-00 for ; Sat, 28 Sep 2002 06:17:56 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17v8Ks-0004VK-00; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 23:32:06 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10) id 17v89P-0003H7-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 23:20:15 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10) id 17v899-0003D8-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 23:20:13 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17v899-0003D1-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 23:19:59 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.10) id 17v898-000334-00; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 23:19:58 -0400 Original-To: d.love@dl.ac.uk In-reply-to: (message from Dave Love on 27 Sep 2002 15:09:44 +0100) Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:8212 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:8212 > Would you please be more specific? I have no idea what that refers > to. The start of this conversation was a week or more ago, and I > don't remember it. What exactly is the RT that we can't D? What handa's complaining about -- just define the minor mode defaulting to on as far as I understand it. That is very sketchy. It is enough remind someone who already knows the issue which issue is meant, but nowhere near enough to explain it to a person who doesn't know. Could someone explain to me what the issue is? unify-8859-on-encoding-mode's value is t Documentation: Non-nil if Unify-8859-On-Encoding mode is enabled. See the command `unify-8859-on-encoding-mode' for a description of this minor-mode. | Setting this variable directly does not take effect; | use either M-x customize or the function `unify-8859-on-encoding-mode'. You can customize this variable. Defined in `ucs-tables'. No! I guess something is wrong in that doc string. What part of it is wrong? What is the actual situation? > Could you explain more concretely what it is that you're thinking of > as a change in Emacs's state? Specifically minor modes being turned on, hooks being installed &c by loading files, e.g. via customize-group. That also is so sketchy I can't really tell what scenario it refers to. Could someone please spell out the actual scenario?