From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: please consider emacs-unicode for pervasive changes Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 16:02:47 -0400 Sender: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <200208090754.g797s6s11972@rum.cs.yale.edu> <200208130030.JAA26246@etlken.m17n.org> <200209030615.PAA10378@etlken.m17n.org> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1031351447 22975 127.0.0.1 (6 Sep 2002 22:30:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 22:30:47 +0000 (UTC) Cc: handa@etl.go.jp, raeburn@raeburn.org, monnier+gnu/emacs@rum.cs.yale.edu, emacs-devel@gnu.org Return-path: Original-Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17nRDU-0004sx-01 for ; Sat, 07 Sep 2002 00:04:44 +0200 Original-Received: from mail-relay.eunet.no (mail-relay.eunet.no [193.71.71.242]) by hermes.netfonds.no (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g86K6V9e027547 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 22:06:31 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org (quimby.gnus.org [80.91.224.244]) by mail-relay.eunet.no (8.12.2/8.12.2/GN) with ESMTP id g86K6VRb028548 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 22:06:31 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org) Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 17nPvl-0001XA-00 for ; Fri, 06 Sep 2002 22:42:17 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17nPN6-0006jN-00; Fri, 06 Sep 2002 16:06:28 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10) id 17nPJg-0006Hg-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Sep 2002 16:02:56 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10) id 17nPJd-0006HE-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Sep 2002 16:02:55 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17nPJd-0006H8-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Sep 2002 16:02:53 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.10) id 17nPJX-0007TG-00; Fri, 06 Sep 2002 16:02:47 -0400 Original-To: d.love@dl.ac.uk In-Reply-To: (message from Dave Love on 06 Sep 2002 00:59:12 +0100) Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:7642 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:7642 They mostly haven't been touched, and don't need to be. You can't generally change them to Unicode (as opposed to utf-8-emacs) because they may contain non-Unicode characters. What non-Unicode characters do you mean? In the Unicode version, the only non-Unicode characters Emacs supports will be Han characters. Why would we want to have non-Han non-Unicode characters in these files when Emacs does not support them? If you think there is a reason to do so, would you please explain what it is, why, and which characters we would use? Please give one concrete example to nail things down. > Is this an inevitable consequence of the unification done by > Unicode? No. The fact that you can't prevent it for i/o of general iso-2022 is a missing feature, as handa said. Handa, I have not seen where you said that. Would you please address this question? I thought it was a design feature you insisted on that the character space is much bigger than Unicode for that sort of reason. I am not sure what this missing feature would be, and I don't know what "that sort of reason" refers to. The reason the character set is bigger than Unicode is to avoid unifying Han characters.