From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Edward Welbourne Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: customize Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 20:15:29 +0200 Sender: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <200207111201.g6BC1OM16938@aztec.santafe.edu> <15680.26449.937153.817907@localhost.localdomain> <200207271853.g6RIrdt10834@aztec.santafe.edu> Reply-To: eddy@opera.no NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1027966625 31686 127.0.0.1 (29 Jul 2002 18:17:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 18:17:05 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 17ZF4q-0008Ex-00 for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 20:17:04 +0200 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 17ZFMB-0003XE-00 for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 20:35:00 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17ZF5F-00066Q-00; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 14:17:29 -0400 Original-Received: from pat.opera.com ([193.69.113.22] helo=whorl.intern.opera.no) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17ZF4a-0005wX-00 for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 14:16:48 -0400 Original-Received: from eddy by whorl.intern.opera.no with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17ZF3J-00009J-00; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 20:15:29 +0200 Original-To: abraham@dina.kvl.dk In-Reply-To: (message from Per Abrahamsen on Mon, 29 Jul 2002 18:15:45 +0200) Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:6150 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:6150 > The effect of this is that if you move the custom-set-variables > call, it will stay put. neat. However, new customizations will always go at the end of the file: if I want some elisp to be run after *everything* that customize controls (e.g. if I want it to be the last thing my ~/.emacs does), I'm going to have to move that elisp each time I customize anything new ... *unless* I keep the things customize controls in a separate file and have ~/.emacs run my elisp after loading that custom-file. Fortunately, the variable custom-file is there to let us do this. The only issue is ensuring that folk who're comfortable writing elisp *do* find out about custom-file when using customize - for which it will suffice to mention custom-file (prominently enough) on the first page of the UI that M-x customize throws up. The only real problem (for anyone happy to write elisp) with configuring emacs is lack of information: until one knows the right name to ask for help about, it can be very hard to discover any clues ... which is sort of inevitable, if somewhat frustrating at times. Mentioning relevant names on the pages customize offers would be a great help. Eddy.