From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jean-Christophe Helary Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.texinfo.general,gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: @dircategory (Re: Translating Emacs manuals is of strategic importance) Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2024 05:38:51 +0000 Message-ID: References: <837cknvkrx.fsf@gnu.org> <83a5piu1y3.fsf@gnu.org> <3BA42BAC-B6D2-4531-BDC2-D8037E7038F7@traductaire-libre.org> <83wmsmsjbt.fsf@gnu.org> <83il46ryx6.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="15432"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Eli Zaretskii , stefankangas@gmail.com, vincent.b.1@hotmail.fr, emacs-devel@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, help-texinfo@gnu.org To: Gavin Smith Original-X-From: help-texinfo-bounces+gnu-help-texinfo2=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Jan 07 06:39:28 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: gnu-help-texinfo2@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1rMLsd-0003mf-6V for gnu-help-texinfo2@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 07 Jan 2024 06:39:27 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rMLsU-000269-Iw; Sun, 07 Jan 2024 00:39:18 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rMLsS-00025y-Q9 for help-texinfo@gnu.org; Sun, 07 Jan 2024 00:39:16 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-4018.proton.ch ([185.70.40.18]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rMLsQ-0005Cb-HZ; Sun, 07 Jan 2024 00:39:16 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=traductaire-libre.org; s=protonmail; t=1704605948; x=1704865148; bh=Vvb6+G+wFEWEAPJP189m91wOGsCRhLme6XVj02zjCwY=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:Reply-To:Feedback-ID: Message-ID:BIMI-Selector; b=Rm+GF4/QZZmaWpA2fNGuczZMJqsE0umZPcmJZijGmf3c8FQOPcUyZy3H1e9M96qRX 3Cy26q3WyuUdfXordgsvcIY/vCN2T65QK5Q8gKmsCQVW3FJMAWpkfjy4/SkJA/kgAt kkl3hOV70mvyGbeUaQmw5+KksSQFnUWHl9s25aoSWVwHTYtn+7r82zQv6vYMqttSWw RqoniYzlRCoSNIQXHIA3frZflROxDu91TTrjk4KCgvJ3fhxs3fgWtyVKhynypjZyHj 5RJlDsX9TMONTfQiyDv6F/0qVoeSeQzoGeC1OkD9TZW9vsz6PhavZ+vYCAMsHuTJkJ ggQSJXkzUMIPw== In-Reply-To: Feedback-ID: 92162971:user:proton Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.70.40.18; envelope-from=jean.christophe.helary@traductaire-libre.org; helo=mail-4018.proton.ch X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H5=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-texinfo@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the Texinfo documentation system List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-texinfo-bounces+gnu-help-texinfo2=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-texinfo-bounces+gnu-help-texinfo2=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.comp.tex.texinfo.general:3394 gmane.emacs.devel:314664 Archived-At: > On Jan 7, 2024, at 5:31, Gavin Smith wrote: >=20 > On Sat, Jan 06, 2024 at 10:26:29PM +0200, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >>> From: Gavin Smith >>> Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2024 19:41:27 +0000 >>> Cc: Eli Zaretskii , stefankangas@gmail.com, >>> vincent.b.1@hotmail.fr, emacs-devel@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, >>> help-texinfo@gnu.org >>>=20 >>> On Sat, Jan 06, 2024 at 01:49:53PM +0000, Jean-Christophe Helary wrote: >>>> Thinking out loud here, but @node currently requires the node-name >>>> argument and has next/preious/up optional argument. It seems to me tha= t >>>> most of the issues would be fixed by adding a fifth argument that acts >>>> like the cross-references' second argument (online-label). That way, >>>> node-name can stay as it is and act as the pointer but is displayed as >>>> "online-label", which is the translated part. >>>=20 >>> A document author can use @anchor to provide target text for a >>> cross-reference which does not appear in the reader-visible part >>> of the manual. I don't see that extending the Texinfo language is >>> necessary. >>=20 >> Do you mean that a translated manual should have an @anchor for each >> @node, where nodes have translated names and the anchors give their >> original names in English? >=20 > Yes, exactly. As far as the Emacs manuals are concerned, could that be generalized to=20 English manuals as well, so that translators don't have to add=20 directives to the code and just have to modify the @node?