> I rather agree with Joost on that other thread regarding the > usefulness of the FOO-let macros and their condition-only, > non-binding clauses. > >I don't think anyone is arguing about their usefulness, only that the >macros are too smart for their own good. I think I will start argue against while-let usefulness :). Now when I have seen that while-let is a special case of named-let, I think that while-let is a bad construct for some reasons: 1. it is not general 2. the special case in which it does not work is hidden 3. the semantic of "read-only" loop variables is uncommon and unexpected > > There is no mention of this in the manual, that only says that SPEC is > > like the one in LET*. That is the gotcha that got me: it says SPEC is "like let*", so this "-let*" in the name take my mind to believe it established ordinary let*-bindings. However, in while-let, these are not ordinary, but read-only. So they are not the same, since they don't obey the ordinary behavior of let* bindings. > But I agree with you that the manual is incomplete or even > wrong here. If that semantic of while-let is desirable to have, than the manual would have to catch the details of while-let and its non-general nature, read-only semantic of bindings and perhaps mention the named-let as a more general alternative.