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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:325892 Archived-At: > > > > I think the crucial question was _where_ this discussion took > place. > > > > It was in the bug reporting list, not emacs-devel. > > > > > > > > I have complained before that the practice of discussing a feature > > > > change on the bug list caused feature change ideas not to be > > > > recognized as such. People should help notify all of us > > > > that we are discussing a feature change. > > > > > > When such discussions happen on the bug list, we generally try to add > > > to the discussion people who might be relevant or whose opinions we > > > want to hear. In other cases, someone insists to move the discussion > > > to emacs-devel. > > > > > > Of course, mistakes can and do happen. But the understanding that > > > some issues need broader discussions does exist, and there's no > > > intentional avoidance of that for some covert reasons. > > > > > > Please also keep in mind that a person interested in some subject > > > could be off-line for some reason, not reading any of the Emacs > > > lists, when the discussion happens. So even making sure all such > > > discussions happen on emacs-devel is not a guarantee that everyone > > > who should be involved will be. (I do agree that emacs-devel is > > > a better place for discussing important changes, I'm just saying > > > it is not a panacea.) > > > > Good to hear. IMO it does happen too often that > > something that could benefit from discussion on - > > or at least exposure to - emacs-devel stays on > > the bug list. >=20 > How often is "too often"? Do you have some quantitative data about > the percentage of such discussions that happen on the bug tracker? Too often in my opinion. Too often for what I think is most helpful and healthy for Emacs. As I said: > > Just one opinion.