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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:325949 Archived-At: > > > It doesn't _really_ matter (IMHO) who's > > > doing it - even if a discusser is a decider > > > (maintainer). What matters is to get the > > > discussion viewed (and maybe participated > > > in) by a _wider audience_. > > > > I agree completely. > > > > When the topic of a thread wanders from A to B, there's no reason to > > blame anyone. It is natural that sometimes discussions wander, and > > sometimes this wandering can convert a discussion of fixing a bug into > > a decision about features. > > > > When that happens, we should recognize that the topic has changed, > > and handle the new topic in the way that it calls for. >=20 > I don't think anyone will disagree, at least not in general. >=20 > That said, I would like to point out a few aspects that AFAIU are at > the real core of the issues which prompted this: >=20 > . a discussion could wander into a tangent, in which case TRT is to > ask people to make the tangent a separate discussion, instead of > moving it to emacs-devel > . we encourage people to submit "feature-request" bug reports (and > Emacs recently acquired the "M-x submit-emacs-patch" command for > that reason), in which case the bug list _is_ the proper place to > discuss that. When the feature is significant and/or affects > Emacs or our users in prominent ways, prudence would mandate that > we move such general discussions to emacs-devel, but that's a > judgment call, not an automatic knee-jerk reaction FWIW, I agree. But if the tangent (first bullet) is not another bug and isn't an enhancement, and the list is the bug list, then a different list is likely better (emacs-tangent, gnu-emacs-help, emacs-devel).