From: "Drew Adams" <drew.adams@oracle.com>
Subject: RE: Buffer listing in multiple frames/ttys
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 16:20:28 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <DNEMKBNJBGPAOPIJOOICKEHNCPAA.drew.adams@oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200511292335.jATNZY316413@raven.dms.auburn.edu>
Lorentey Karoly wrote:
I agree that there is no point in having frame-local buffer lists
when pop-up-frames is set to t, so I propose in that case we
continue to use the global buffer-list, as before.
`pop-up-frames' is mainly a way of preventing help buffers and such
from messing up window configurations.
I don't really agree, but I'm not sure my disagreement is important here. My
guess (why? I don't know) is that most people who set `pop-up-frames' = t
are trying to get a one-buffer-per-frame behavior for Emacs. That is not as
easy as simply setting that variable, however, so such behavior cannot be
said to be the purpose of that variable, admittedly.
`C-x b' still gives buffers in
the selected frame. `M-x buffer-menu' still gives the Buffer Menu in
the selected frame. ...
The frame local buffer list only makes no sense if you not only set
pop-up-frames to t, but, much more importantly, always use C-x 5 b
instead of C-x b, as Drew apparently does. (I believe that he must
have rebound C-x b to run `C-x 5 b') But that is highly personal usage.
I use C-x 4 b (4 works like 5, if pop-up-frames is t) when I don't want to
replace the current buffer - just as you might use it to open a buffer in
another window: no difference. I doubt that I work much differently from
others - I just use frames in place of windows.
The point is not that I don't reuse a frame for a different buffer - it is
that I have only one buffer per frame (most of the time) - that is, I use
frames like most people use Emacs windows. If you keep that analogy in mind,
you'll understand why this change makes little sense for my use case.
Whenever I don't bother to create a new frame (e.g. I use `C-x d' instead of
`C-x 4 d'), I don't _care_ about what was in the frame before (I use `C-x
C-v' too). In that case (as in all other cases), I don't care about the
frame-local buffer list - I don't want to see it or have its order taken
into account anywhere.
In short, I use frames pretty much like most people use Emacs windows. You
wouldn't find a window-local buffer list useful, would you? You wouldn't
want the Buffer Menu to be ordered in any way based on that, would you?
That's the point.
(BTW - In order to make frames behave well, I also make special buffers
(*...*) use dedicated windows, and redefine `switch-to-buffer' to use a
different window if the current window is dedicated, and jump through a few
other hoops.)
On the other hand, if you do not use separate frames systematically
for separate themes, then usually the least important buffers are the
_globally_ least recent ones. So in that case you might prefer the
old behavior, regardless of the value of `pop-up-frames'.
So, should I apply this patch or not? :-)
For the reasons explained above, I would prefer a user option, with
the new behavior as default. In other words, I would prefer the
following patch, which I could install if we decide to do that:
+ (defcustom Buffer-menu-use-frame-buffer-list t
+ "If non-nil, the Buffer Menu uses the selected frame's buffer list.
+ If nil, it uses the global buffer list. This variable matters if
+ the Buffer Menu is sorted by visited order, as it is by default."
Yes, I, at least, would prefer having the option. Thanks.
I still believe that most people who use pop-up-frames = t will want to set
this option to nil (so, they would prefer that that behavior be the default
for non-nil pop-up-frames), but I don't mind setting the option to get the
old behavior.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2005-11-30 0:20 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2005-11-24 20:25 Buffer listing in multiple frames/ttys Len Trigg
2005-11-24 21:44 ` Károly Lőrentey
2005-11-28 14:37 ` Lőrentey Károly
2005-11-28 17:16 ` Drew Adams
2005-11-28 18:24 ` Lőrentey Károly
2005-11-28 19:23 ` Drew Adams
2005-11-28 20:48 ` Lőrentey Károly
2005-11-28 23:12 ` Drew Adams
2005-11-29 0:15 ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-11-29 0:29 ` Drew Adams
2005-11-29 10:45 ` Lőrentey Károly
2005-11-29 15:36 ` Drew Adams
2005-11-29 18:43 ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-11-29 19:24 ` Drew Adams
2005-11-30 13:21 ` Lőrentey Károly
2005-11-29 18:12 ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-11-29 23:35 ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-11-29 23:55 ` Chong Yidong
2005-11-29 23:57 ` Chong Yidong
2005-11-30 0:20 ` Drew Adams [this message]
2005-12-02 21:09 ` Juri Linkov
2005-12-03 15:58 ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-12-03 17:03 ` Lőrentey Károly
2005-12-03 17:46 ` Juri Linkov
2005-12-04 21:18 ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-12-04 21:56 ` Juri Linkov
2005-12-05 4:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-12-05 6:03 ` Juri Linkov
2005-12-05 16:38 ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-12-05 14:44 ` Károly Lőrentey
2005-12-05 21:32 ` Juri Linkov
2005-12-06 16:42 ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-12-06 1:43 ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-12-06 12:44 ` Károly Lőrentey
2005-12-07 0:52 ` Juri Linkov
2005-12-07 14:51 ` Károly Lőrentey
2005-12-07 21:29 ` Juri Linkov
2005-12-08 7:48 ` Juri Linkov
2005-12-08 14:26 ` Lőrentey Károly
2005-12-08 19:29 ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-12-08 21:56 ` Juri Linkov
2005-12-09 15:04 ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-12-09 20:04 ` Lőrentey Károly
2005-12-09 23:54 ` Juri Linkov
2005-12-10 16:18 ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-12-11 0:54 ` Juri Linkov
2005-12-11 16:49 ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-12-11 16:57 ` Károly Lőrentey
2005-12-11 16:53 ` Károly Lőrentey
2005-12-11 22:57 ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-12-12 12:56 ` Károly Lőrentey
2005-12-12 7:43 ` Juri Linkov
2005-12-07 17:07 ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-12-07 17:15 ` Károly Lőrentey
2005-12-08 4:53 ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-12-06 16:20 ` Drew Adams
2005-12-06 18:09 ` Lőrentey Károly
2005-12-07 16:54 ` Drew Adams
2005-12-07 21:29 ` Juri Linkov
2005-12-08 0:03 ` Drew Adams
[not found] <lorentey.g.e.devel.87hd9uff0k.elte@walrus.fnord.hu>
2005-11-30 16:33 ` Drew Adams
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