From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: Todays exercise of sanity (or does "see" really match "not"?) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 13:44:55 -0800 Message-ID: References: <200503232116.j2NLGfp07884@raven.dms.auburn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1111615358 7874 80.91.229.2 (23 Mar 2005 22:02:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 22:02:38 +0000 (UTC) Cc: lennart.borgman.073@student.lu.se, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Mar 23 23:02:37 2005 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DEDvg-00013g-Gv for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 23:02:21 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DEEDF-0006fg-Ut for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 17:20:30 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DEEBJ-0005wg-BE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 17:18:29 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DEEBB-0005rx-C5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 17:18:22 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DEEBA-0005nO-Vk for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 17:18:21 -0500 Original-Received: from [148.87.122.31] (helo=rgminet02.oracle.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 4.34) id 1DEDmI-0001cP-Fx; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 16:52:38 -0500 Original-Received: from rgminet02.oracle.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rgminet02.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.6/Switch-3.1.6) with ESMTP id j2NLqPwh008014; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 16:52:25 -0500 Original-Received: from rgmsgw301.us.oracle.com (rgmsgw301.us.oracle.com [138.1.186.50]) by rgminet02.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.6/Switch-3.1.6) with ESMTP id j2NLiwU0001535; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 16:46:33 -0500 Original-Received: from rgmsgw301.us.oracle.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rgmsgw301.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.4/Switch-3.1.0) with ESMTP id j2NLivfG020903; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 14:44:57 -0700 Original-Received: from dradamslap (dradams-lap.us.oracle.com [130.35.177.126]) by rgmsgw301.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.4/Switch-3.1.0) with SMTP id j2NLitqL020860 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); Wed, 23 Mar 2005 14:44:56 -0700 Original-To: "Luc Teirlinck" , X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <200503232116.j2NLGfp07884@raven.dms.auburn.edu> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAI= X-Whitelist: TRUE X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org X-MailScanner-To: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:35067 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:35067 > > `*Note' is a special tag, not part of the text. > `*Note' _is_ a part of the text. There are obviously different ways of looking at this, and the issue is not just one of terminology (what we decide to call "text" or "content"). Perhaps we can agree that some people and some programs will likely want to treat such stuff as part of the "text/content/data" and others will want to ignore it as part of the "text/content" and treat it instead as "tags"/"metadata". It will always be true that one person's data is another person's metadata. The analogy with markup is useful, even if it is true that 1) the mechanism used in Info is not exactly markup and 2) at least some of these "tags" (e.g. "Note") are visible in the Info text. Perhaps we can also agree that we should not try to change anything about this now, at least not in any fundamental way. And perhaps we can also agree that it might be good to look, later, at the possibility of letting users/programs have their cake and eat it too: be able to treat such "tags" as data or metadata, au choix.