From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: bad mailer Subject meddling (was: links in Help buffer aren't always correct) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 07:39:25 -0800 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1134671693 11958 80.91.229.2 (15 Dec 2005 18:34:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 18:34:53 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Dec 15 19:34:52 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EmxtD-0005oO-Hf for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 19:31:40 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Emxtr-0001S7-VA for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:32:20 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EmvKq-0001KG-Ui for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 10:48:01 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EmvKm-0001Jd-DN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 10:47:58 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EmvDN-0007cO-LJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 10:40:18 -0500 Original-Received: from [141.146.126.228] (helo=agminet01.oracle.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1EmvFc-0003pf-1j for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 10:42:38 -0500 Original-Received: from rgmsgw300.us.oracle.com (rgmsgw300.us.oracle.com [138.1.186.49]) by agminet01.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.7/Switch-3.1.7) with ESMTP id jBFFw08l006071 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 09:58:00 -0600 Original-Received: from rgmsgw300.us.oracle.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rgmsgw300.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.7/Switch-3.1.7) with ESMTP id jBFFdU3F030784 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 08:39:30 -0700 Original-Received: from dradamslap (dhcp-amer-rmdc-csvpn-gw5-141-144-107-58.vpn.oracle.com [141.144.107.58]) by rgmsgw300.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.7/Switch-3.1.7) with SMTP id jBFFdTXO030774 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 08:39:30 -0700 Original-To: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAI= X-Whitelist: TRUE X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:47794 Archived-At: -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: [drew.adams@oracle.com: links in Help bufferaren'talwayscorrect] Drew, could you please do something about your #$%^&* mailer? Look how it butchers the Subject lines when it thinks they are too long: it removes whitespace and splices words, which makes it a pain to read and use "C-c C-n" in Rmail. Sorry, I don't know how to fix that in Outlook. I use Outlook 2000, for various reasons related to work. It's old, but still a very common (the most common?) email client in use. I don't defend it, but it's the one I use. If it produces brain-dead subject lines, but it is a very common mailer, maybe Rmail's C-c C-n could somehow deal with it by adding extra intelligence to handle the retarded output ;-)? No flames please - I don't even know what C-c C-n does, and I'm not proposing that good, free programs bend to the idiosyncrasies of bad MS products. I can also try to remember to edit the Subject line, to shorten it - but that will mess up sorting messages by Subject. Another alternative is, sad to say, using the Delete key on posts from Drew. Another problem I noticed with Outlook, BTW, is that even if I set the format explicitly to "plain text", when I reply to a Unicode post the result appears formatted. In that case, at least, I found a workaround (provided I notice it in time): explicitly change the encoding of the message from Unicode. On a related subject: Unlike the posts to emacs-devel, bug reports get the original sender's email address (e.g. "[drew.adams@oracle.com]") prepended to the subject line, as in this one (but I removed that). That makes the subject much longer (m u c h longer, in some cases). Is that "feature" really necessary or a good idea?