From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: customize-apropos Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 07:07:16 -0800 Message-ID: References: <200512140558.jBE5wSE17586@raven.dms.auburn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1134588218 19077 80.91.229.2 (14 Dec 2005 19:23:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 19:23:38 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Dec 14 20:23:37 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from [199.232.75.2] (helo=lists.gnu.org) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EmcBR-0004Bp-8D for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 20:21:01 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EmcC2-00075H-JK for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 14:21:38 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EmYEj-0001R4-Pj for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 10:08:10 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EmYEb-0001QN-F4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 10:08:05 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EmYEa-0001QH-C0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 10:08:00 -0500 Original-Received: from [141.146.126.228] (helo=agminet01.oracle.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1EmYGf-0000Gg-Mn for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 10:10:09 -0500 Original-Received: from rgmsgw301.us.oracle.com (rgmsgw301.us.oracle.com [138.1.186.50]) by agminet01.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.7/Switch-3.1.7) with ESMTP id jBEFPbQ5014709 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 09:25:37 -0600 Original-Received: from rgmsgw301.us.oracle.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rgmsgw301.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.7/Switch-3.1.7) with ESMTP id jBEF7KSV026194 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 08:07:20 -0700 Original-Received: from dradamslap (dhcp-amer-rmdc-csvpn-gw6-141-144-112-28.vpn.oracle.com [141.144.112.28]) by rgmsgw301.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.7/Switch-3.1.7) with SMTP id jBEF7JFx026180 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 08:07:19 -0700 Original-To: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <200512140558.jBE5wSE17586@raven.dms.auburn.edu> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAI= X-Whitelist: TRUE X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org X-Broken-Reverse-DNS: no host name found for IP address 199.232.75.2 Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:47704 Archived-At: Using a documented `C-u' with a standard command is not some bizarre expert behavior. If this is not intended for users, then let's get rid of the `C-u' option. I vote to keep it and clarify the Custom-buffer messages accordingly, but if people think this `C-u' behavior is something for experts only, then let's get rid of it. Because you can use a prefix arg does not mean that you have to use it. Would the following patch help clear up your misconceptions? You tell me. It is you who defines my "misconceptions". A new variant of "Have you finally stopped beating your wife"? Wrt the doc and C-u behavior - are we now in the game of "You can do this; DON'T do it!!"? If so, I have nothing special to offer on how best to say that. I would suggest, instead, to pick one or the other. Experts don't need this (C-u) any more than regular users.