From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: File menu changes (suggestions) Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 16:13:02 -0700 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1119828026 19795 80.91.229.2 (26 Jun 2005 23:20:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 23:20:26 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jun 27 01:20:25 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DmgQ8-0003hO-Rp for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 01:20:13 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DmgXf-0004FK-5Q for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 19:27:59 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DmgWs-00049z-Ol for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 19:27:10 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DmgWo-00047T-0E for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 19:27:07 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DmgWk-00043w-Em for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 19:27:03 -0400 Original-Received: from [141.146.126.231] (helo=agminet04.oracle.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1DmgNL-0002p9-MT for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 19:17:19 -0400 Original-Received: from agminet04.oracle.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agminet04.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.7/Switch-3.1.7) with ESMTP id j5QND6bG028827 for ; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 18:13:06 -0500 Original-Received: from rgmsgw300.us.oracle.com (rgmsgw300.us.oracle.com [138.1.186.49]) by agminet04.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.7/Switch-3.1.7) with ESMTP id j5QND5Jw028819 for ; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 18:13:06 -0500 Original-Received: from rgmsgw300.us.oracle.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rgmsgw300.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.4/Switch-3.1.0) with ESMTP id j5QND5Sb016593 for ; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 17:13:05 -0600 Original-Received: from dradamslap (dhcp-amer-csvpn-gw2-141-144-73-37.vpn.oracle.com [141.144.73.37]) by rgmsgw300.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.4/Switch-3.1.0) with SMTP id j5QND4nF016583 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 17:13:05 -0600 Original-To: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAI= X-Whitelist: TRUE X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:39593 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:39593 For a new name for "New File", recent discussion has included candidates Visit New File and New File Buffer. As I said in my original post, which started this, the problem here is "New". The best name for this Emacs operation is, as in the past, "Open". I gave reasons previously. The problem then is distinguishing this from opening an existing file *only*. For that, I suggested that "Open File" would be sufficient, since "file" implies an existing file - you cannot open a new file; you can only create a new file. If people don't think that "Open File" sufficiently makes this clear, then let's call it "Open Existing File" to remove all doubt. The two menu items would then be: - "Open Existing File" = create/select a buffer for an existing file. - "Open" = new or existing: "Open Existing File" or create a buffer for a new file. However, as I mentioned, to be consistent, "Open Directory" and "Insert File" should then also be renamed "Open Existing Directory" and "Insert Existing File". I personally think that the following sufficiently suggest existing objects: "Open File", "Open Directory", and "Insert File". But if people prefer "Open Existing File" to "Open File", then we have the choice of opting for consistency, using "Existing" for the others also, or inconsistency, using it only for "Open Existing File".