From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: dolist? Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 16:09:27 -0700 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1120433744 24960 80.91.229.2 (3 Jul 2005 23:35:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 23:35:44 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jul 04 01:35:42 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DpDzk-0000kH-Em for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 04 Jul 2005 01:35:28 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DpE0v-0001XJ-JJ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 03 Jul 2005 19:36:41 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DpDwz-0007wW-RB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Jul 2005 19:32:37 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DpDwS-0007bK-HM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Jul 2005 19:32:17 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DpDwM-0007RF-HQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Jul 2005 19:31:58 -0400 Original-Received: from [148.87.122.33] (helo=rgminet04.oracle.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1DpDgH-00023A-Tt for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Jul 2005 19:15:22 -0400 Original-Received: from rgminet04.oracle.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rgminet04.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.6/Switch-3.1.6) with ESMTP id j63N9UNa003679 for ; Sun, 3 Jul 2005 17:09:30 -0600 Original-Received: from rgmsgw301.us.oracle.com (rgmsgw301.us.oracle.com [138.1.186.50]) by rgminet04.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.6/Switch-3.1.6) with ESMTP id j63N9TMT003649 for ; Sun, 3 Jul 2005 17:09:29 -0600 Original-Received: from rgmsgw301.us.oracle.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rgmsgw301.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.4/Switch-3.1.0) with ESMTP id j63N9S2T010996 for ; Sun, 3 Jul 2005 17:09:28 -0600 Original-Received: from dradamslap (dhcp-amer-csvpn-gw2-141-144-72-91.vpn.oracle.com [141.144.72.91]) by rgmsgw301.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.4/Switch-3.1.0) with SMTP id j63N9Rgk010986 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 3 Jul 2005 17:09:27 -0600 Original-To: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Importance: Normal X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAI= X-Whitelist: TRUE X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:40288 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:40288 *Message* is meant to provide convenient info for the user. Giving programs "full control over *Message*" is not the goal. It might not be the goal, but it could be a secondary goal. That is, if you ever want more than just the last "..." message to show up in *Messages*, you're out of luck. The standard `message' function should be more general That would be tantamount to disabling the feature most of the time. It would make things worse, not better. No it wouldn't, not if we took Miles's suggestion of providing a variable that users could set to block the "magic" when needed. The current, magic behavior would be the default, and no existing code calling `message' would need to be changed. (let ((message...magic-p nil)) (message " ... showme anyway")) We will not make that change. Too bad. Thanks for documenting the magic, anyway.